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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Well gang. I appologize for not posting any progress reports for the last couple of days. Doesn't mean I haven't been working on Cleo, just other stuff (you know, life...) keeps interupting! I've attached the Transom and was going to post a pic this morning, but, its pretty uninteresting all by itself, so I'm going to finish adding the rest of its parts, then I'll post some pics...hopefully this evening!

In the meantime, I've been busy spending LOTS of $$$..... Model Expo finally got their supply of USS Constitution models in. Of course, I was First In Line to buy one ...$400.00! ...And...thanks to Jim, one of our newer posters, I also purchased Bob Hunt's Practicum ($120.00) to go along with it! Well, there goes my paper model budget! Don't worry, though, as promised, I will NOT start my Conny until I've finished with Cleopatra!

One of the guys on the Forum for the Constitution Practicum owners posted this little story...it made me laugh, so I thought I'd share it with all of you.....keep in mind...this is only a story...NOT TRUE....URBAN LEGEND!....just for fun!...


See you tonight with some pics!

Larry

Captain...yadda, yadda, yadda!

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Subject: Old Ironsides

The U.S.S. Constitution (Old Ironsides) as a combat vessel carried 48,600 gallons of fresh water for her crew of 475 officers and men. This was sufficient to last six months of sustained operations at sea. She carried no evaporators (fresh water distillers).

However, let it be noted that according to her log, "On July 27, 1798, the U.S.S. Constitution sailed from Boston with a full complement of
475 officers and men, 48,600 gallons of fresh water, 7,400 cannon shot, 11,600 pounds of black powder and 79,400 gallons of rum."

Her mission: "To destroy and harass English shipping." Making Jamaica on 6 October, she took on 826 pounds of flour and 68,300 gallons of rum. Then she headed for the Azores, arriving there 12 November. She provisioned with 550 pounds of beef and 64,300 gallons of Portuguese wine. On 18 November, she set sail for England.

In the ensuing days she defeated five British men-of-war and captured and scuttled 12 English merchantmen, salvaging only the rum aboard each.

By 26 January, her powder and shot were exhausted. Nevertheless, and though unarmed, she made a night raid up the Firth of Clyde in Scotland. Her landing party captured a whiskey distillery and transferred 40,000 gallons of single malt Scotch aboard by dawn.

Then she headed home. The U.S.S. Constitution arrived in Boston on 20 February 1799, with no cannon shot, No food, No powder, NO rum, NO wine, NO whiskey and 38,600 gallons of stagnant water. GO NAVY!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Good Evening!

Well, as promised...here are a couple of photos of the aft cabin and transom. The cabin was pretty intersting to build....First, I wasn't very happy with the flat light gray they printed the window panes in, so I cut all the window panes out of the piece, then glued a piece of cardstock behind the windows and painted the panes in again with acrylics.



The rest of the parts, above and below the windows, needed only slight trimming to fit nicely. The thin gold bands at the joints were supposedly part 109...Never did find those suckers...so I had to made my own



Placing the transom in the right position was kind of tricky....I ended up putting on the inboard planking piece earlier in the assembly than numerical progression would have dictated, then aligned the bottom of the inboard planking with the aft end of the deck....that put the transome in just the right position, vertically. Seems to have worked out OK ...everything else fell into place properly. The transom will look pretty awesome once I attach the final "gloss paper" printed detailing into place...all the little carvings on a royal blue background...but I'm going to wait as long as possible to add those parts...I don't want them getting messed up while I'm handling the hull so much. Well, that's it for this evening. Have a good weekend. : )

Larry
Master and Commander, HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By maurice

Larry

Increasingly gorgeous.

Parts 109, try next to the anchor bits. Er - not that I would know of course - just a hunch.

BTW did you know Bob Hunt has joined us for your Practicum. Reckon you ought to be charging him. Smile

Welcome aboard Bob.

Maurice
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Maurice.... Oh SURE...NOW you tell me! Where were you last night when I was scouring the parts sheets 3 time!.... Not that you would know, of course!!!! And if that's true, that Bob is lurking about, then I am truely honored! I'm not worthy to sand his keelson! If you're there, Bob, "Hello" : ) and I can't wait to get my Practicum!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By jimkrauzlis

Well, she's looking really good, Larry!
Did you encounter any fitting problems on those quarter galleries? In looking at the photos a few notes before, I saw the shape of the quarter gallery is made with horizontal pieces and I wasn't sure they lined up, but it sure came out great! What is that dotted line on top of them and along the quarterdeck bulwark for? Was that the fitting problem you encountered earlier when putting in the formers? I suppose they are going to be covered with the sheets with carvings that go along the upper part of those bulwarks on the outboard side, but, of course, I don't have this model so I can't look ahead (unlike Maurice, no wait, he said he doesn't have this one either, right?) Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By maurice

Jim

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Larry

Bob's cover was blown when he appeared briefly as the latest member.
Of course he may have taken one look at us lot and shot through.
What's his url again please, my XPletive crashed minutes later.

Maurice
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

The URL to the Bob Hunt Practicums and College of Model Shipbuilding is: http://www.lauckstreetshipyard.com/index.htm Have a read through some of the sample Practicums! Talk about thourough! I can't wait!! Quit a bit of difference between my Constituton Instructions (which are a small book all by themselves) PLUS Bob's Practicum compared to Cleopatra's 1 english paragraph and Polish instructions! But......I STILL love my Cleo! : )

I think when Bob was over here having a look is when we were having server problems! I'm going to invite him back now that things seem to be running smoothly again.

Larry
Captain, etc....
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice

Larry

Thanks for the url, my rampage around the site will now resume.
It was at the time of the problems so do do so with the invite.

Maurice
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Captain's Log
Monday, 12 January 2004

Good morning everyone. I trust your weekend was productive and you all got LOTS of model building done! As for me....I actually got very LITTLE model building done....we got some new kitchen appliances and so I spend most of the day Sunday installing! Now, let's move to the other end of Cleopatra, shall we! I did manage to get some work done on the bow:



I've added in the supports for some of the decorative trim around the bow head, also, some plank work that thickens up the area around the anchor haul holes. Don't worry about the color, I'll be painting it to match shortly! Talk about "Fiddley-Bits"! These things are Small!...and complex to cut out! ...each one is made of 3 pieces sandwiched together, the center piece being attached to the appropriate thichness of chipboard! I put an extra dab of glue at the base of each one for a little extra insurance...they are pretty delicate until all the other parts get added and I don't want them breaking off.

Until this evening,
Larry
Captain, HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lauckstreetshipyard

I must say, I'm greatly impressed with these models. I've been building model ships for over 12 years and teach model shipbuilding professionally through a series of correspondence courses. All are wood and highly detailed and these card stock models really intrigue me to say the least. I'm most impressed with the detail in them and have ordered a few myself to try out. I have to thank Max for putting me on to these, he's now one of my students in wood modeling.

Bob Hunt
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http://www.lauckstreetshipyard.com/
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Gil

Bob,

Welcome aboard! I think you'll find that paper ship models are just as impressive as those executed in wood..., in fact the notion has crossed my mind that some of the better card model ships make great templates for executing them in wood which I intend to do in the future. I'm just getting back to the HMS Victory build after shoulder surgery and have been waylayed along the way through the design of Joshua Slocum's Oyster Yawl the Spray. Finally have enough documentation to finish the design. At 1:32 scale she'll come out at 35 cm long by 13.5 cm wide. Enough for now have to get back to whacking illustrator board to finish the hull eggcrate.

Best regards, Gil

Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic

P.S. I like your College of Model Shipbuilding..., goes along with some ideas regarding museum scale WWI aircraft models I've been ruminating over.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Good Evening Ladies and Gents,

Just a quick post of the progress on the Starboard Bow....Port side not quit finished to this degree, and I've plum run out of steam for the evening. Just a few more bits and the bow will be finished.



Good Night, All

Larry
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By lauckstreetshipyard

Hi Gil,

Thanks for the welcome aboard call. I'm very excited about receiving the 4 kits I ordered which include the Victory and the Cleo. Let's see, I've built the Victory from wood 4 times and my Senior course is the 5th. Plus, I have a Caldercraft Victory in 1:72 scale waiting to be built and people are asking that I write a practicum on that. How many Victory models can one man build in a lifetime? Smile

I'd love to see your Victory card model as it progresses. When I ordered mine, it was out of stock so it may be months before I see the kit. I just remember it had a LOT of parts and that's how I select the models I build. The more parts, the more complex they are, the happier I am!

I'm slowly threading my way around this site, looking at some of the gallery pictures, reading some of the tips and all, and plan to hang around for a good while here amongst the ship modelers at least.

Take care and happy modeling,

Bob Hunt
The College of Model Shipbuilding
http://www.lauckstreetshipyard.com/
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By 57townsman

Ahoy Mates,

If by any chance you need some nice barrels to provision your ship check out Andy's Papercraft site here:

http://www.andys-papercraft.de/index.htm

Look under "Die Fasser" or go here directly:

http://www.andys-papercraft.de/Downloads/Fass.htm

Steve


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Captains Log
Tuesday, Jan 13, 2004 11:00pm PST

Good evening. Tonight I finished the head works on the port bow. Then, I tackled the Catheads. These unassuming little rectangles are made of 18 itsy bitsy pieces each. They are created "bread and butter" fashion in order to leave holes to run rigging and tackle through that hold up the anchors.



The biggest problem was making sure the holes stayed open and clear during construction....the tiniest bit of glue in the wrong place and that's it for the hole. Once I had all the layers built up and was sure the holes were clear (I shoved a needle through each one, just to be sure!) I coated the head area with super glue to make sure they stayed open. Anyway, there are now 6 holes in the head of each cathead ready to receive their rigging.



And, speaking of catheads....here's my First Mate, Marty, checking in to make sure I'm doing everything right. P.S. I discovered Marty likes the taste of Elmers Glue! Stupid Cat!

Larry
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Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic
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