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By Larrymax
Jim,
Thanks for the nice words! I've updated the last bow
picture above to point out the blue I had to add to the part.
The outline for the area was printed on the piece, it was just
not blue. Basically, I'm just going by the photos of the model
that came in the kit/book.
I've got all the hatch
covers attached now. Going to try to put on some more stuff
this evening. I'll post a pic or two later tonight.
Max Captain, blah, blah, blah
Well,
here we are at the end of a Saturday evening and time for
another progress report. Once I got all the hatches installed
I discovered it's time to start on the really FUN stuff. First
up...the Capstan! Fun little part...about 3 hours of fun, as a
matter of fact! Went together fairly easily. I've left all the
holes for the poles open (and square!, thank you very much!)
just in case I want to add the poles later...they aren't
included in the parts..but shouldn't be too difficult to bash.
Here is a close up of it:
Here's another
shot of all the capstan from a little farther back. Also note,
there's our Prodigal Hatch Cover!
And, finally,
here's a nice overall shot of the hatches and capstan from off
the port bow.
Well, next up.....The Ship's Wheel! Now THIS
ought to be fun!!
Good night all.....The Captain is
off watch.
Max Captain, HMS Cleopatra Paper
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By lauckstreetshipyard
Looking really good Max. I thought the hatch gratings
were the real thing. The printing detail is extremely good,
has a 3D effect as Jim said. I wouldn't have built them up
like we do in wood because I don't think the effect would have
been as natural looking as the printed ones. I'm still amazed
at the detail and realistic appearance of these card stock
models. Who would have ever thought you could make such an
intricate and detailed model out of paper.
Thanks for
posting the photos and showing us your progress. It sure is
looking good.
Bob Hunt The College of Model
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Larrymax
Interim
Report:
I've completely lost my mind!
SHIPS WHEEL
HANDLES...1 DOWN 19 TO GO
Max Captain of the Funny
Farm HMS Cleopatra Paper Navy of the Bear Flag
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By maurice
No Larry.
"completely" will be when you try rolling them out of
paper.
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By Larrymax
Maurice.....I THOUGHT about it! Toothpics work better!
Progress pic 2...one wheel parts done, I'll wait until
the assembly is complete before I glue the handles on. Just a
bit to fragile to be handling! Second wheel in
progress....glue drying, so I thought I post a pic.
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By jimkrauzlis
Great,
Max! One question; this is a problem I have been trying to
work out on my 1/200 Constitution model. How did you make the
rim of the wheel? I have in vain tried to cut out the piece
from paper, but it always falls short of being a nice circle,
as crisp and clean as your photo shows. There must be some
trick to get it to look as good as yours. Jim | |
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By Larrymax
Jim,
No big secret here, either.....a sharp #11 and a
steady hand. I clean up the edges with my fiscars (see the
fiscars about half way down the page: http://s93816356.onlinehome.us/phpbb2/kb.php?mode=article&k=7)
if needed after cutting out with the exacto. Here's a pic of
the assembly process...just happened to catch me in the right
spot to illustrate this!
I cut out one
surface ring, then the ring which give the wheel it's
thickness, which I coat with super glue to "plasticise" it so
I can cut it up to allow for the rungs of the wheel without
the VERY SMALL pieces falling apart (the chipboard tends to
de-laminate when it's cut into too small of pieces, like
this). Then I lay up the rungs and attach the other sides'
ring. Then I trim off the rungs flush with the outer edge and,
using a fine grit sanding drum on my dremmel, I smooth the
edge (another reason I super-glue it...so it can stand up to
sanding) and, finally, wrap it with it's "skin" strip.
It's not as nice looking as you might think by looking
at the pics, but, I'm going to paint the whole assembly brown
when it's done, so a lot of the edges will look much better!
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By Larrymax
Good
Evening Everybody,
Well, the ships wheel is
complete.....oh, nuthin....only about 6 hours, maybe a little
more! It's not perfect, and I had to add about 1/16" to the
bottom of the supports for the handles to clear the deck (just
couldn't make them any smaller with the tools I have. But, all
in all, it's better than other ships wheels I've made that
were just printed and cut out. Add a lot of visual interest to
the deck. Once all the cannon are on board this thing's gonna
look pretty good. : )
Good Night
Max Captain, HMS
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By Larrymax
Good
Evening Everybody,
Well, the ships wheel is
complete.....oh, nuthin....only about 6 hours, maybe a little
more! It's not perfect, and I had to add about 1/16" to the
bottom of the supports for the handles to clear the deck (just
couldn't make them any smaller with the tools I have. But, all
in all, it's better than other ships wheels I've made that
were just printed and cut out. Add a lot of visual interest to
the deck. Once all the cannon are on board this thing's gonna
look pretty good. : )
Good Night
Max Captain, HMS
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By jimkrauzlis
Fear
not, Max, you are not alone at sea! Reading and enjoying
your updates, as always. I am perplexed (not too unusual
for me, actually) to read they did not provide a finishing
piece for the edge of the quarterdeck. Surely that cannot be
right!?! They did provide the rail though, right?
I
looked at my photos from the Russian site and it seems to show
a finishing piece for the forecastle deck, but I could not
find a photo from the right angle for the quarterdeck. Does
your photo show the quarterdeck as seen from the waist?
If I can only figure out how to post photos to this
thread I might be able to show you my photo...how do I do
that?
Keep them updates and photos coming, Max!!
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By Larrymax
Jim,
Thanks for the encouragement! I looked VERY HARD,
SEVERAL TIMES through the parts and still could not find a
piece for it. Though, I have been proven wrong on missing
parts previously ; ) I haven't started looking for the
Forecastle Deck trim part, yet, but I fear the same
conclusion. The good news is, they are pretty easy to create.
I just put a piece of cardstock against the edge to trace the
contour/camber of the deck and transferred it to my colored
stock.
The photos you see are the same ones that
come in the booklet/kit, so you're seeing what I'm seeing.
There is one shot where you can see the smallest bit of the
edge of the quarterdeck and it seems to show what I have built
on my model. The base, posts and rail are all provided, though
i did need to add a couple more layers to the posts (they
provided a front piece, middle piece and back piece) to bring
the part to a square as the footprint on the rail base seems
to indicate.
To post a picture in these threads
you 1) need to save your image (optimized to a nice small file
size)(I can help you with that if you need) to a web server. I
have space on my ISP server provided as part of my service, so
I put my pics in a folder there. 2) Once the images are put on
a server, you need to point to them using an HTML Image
reference tag here in your post. It will look like this:
The
"http: ....~larrymax/" is the reference to my ISP and my space
on their server ....picture1 is in the folder "models" which
is in the folder "images"...the name of the picture MUST
include the .jpg (or .gif or .bmp or whatever) suffix, and
don't forget the quotation marks before http and after .jpg.
When you get it right, and you hit the "preview
button" you SHOULD see your image in the place of the HTML
code, like this:
Once your image appears, hit the "submit"
button and all the world will see your pretty pictures, too.
Of course the alternative is to just create your own Picture
Album here on this site and put your pics in there.... : )
So, there you go! Piece of cake! HA HA HA...don't
worry took me about 5 days to get it right with help from the
rest of the gang here.
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By Corporal_Trim
Larry,
I've been lurking on this thread since
joining up here. But I have to step in now and say it, your
ship is looking flat-out gorgeous ! To take such painstaking
care with the model with all that rigging still ahead - hats
off to your patience, powers of concentration and modeling
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By jyduchene
Larry,
I've been following your progress and consider it the
high point of my surfing each evening. I sat down on Sunday
night and read the thread "cover to cover". I realized that
there are some techniques and tricks I use now and had
forgotten were I had learned them. It was in this thread.
My number one favorite trick is using minwax wood
hardner to increase paper rigidity. I am building some
Fiddlersgreen airplanes as a break from larger projects and on
a whim, I painted the entire finished plane with minwax using
a foam brush. The results were striking. The color was stable,
it seemed to deepen the color making it look a little richer
and the paper feels more like a plastic. I have become bold in
its use.
This ramble is in response to your quiry "is
anyone was out there?". I think many of us check in on you
reqularly but I myself don't have much to offer a master other
then admiration. So there you go, my thanks and apprecition
for your skill and for sharing it with us.
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By Larrymax
Progress
Report, Thursday January 22, 2004
WOW! I'm truely
overwhelmed (and a little embarrased) by your comments Steve,
John! Thank you! Now THAT'S some motivation! I'm thrilled that
this thread has proven to be helpful to some of you guys! All
the credit for the minwax tip goes to Gil! He's been busy
working on some other projects lately, and I hope we get to
hear from him here again soon! I can't wait to see the Victory
start to take shape. Steve, as far as patience and
concentration....you know, actually, I just look at it this
way...I only have a very few hours during the week that I can
work on Cleo, so when I get the opportunity, I look at the
next assembly step...and ONLY the next assembly step, and
think, OK., THIS is what I'm going to build tonight...whether
it be a bulkhead section, fabricating handles for the ships
wheel, putting together a cannon or putting together a ships
rail..I take that single task and do the absolute, very best
job on it that I can manage with my limited skills and
tools....If I try to see how much there is to go till I
finish...or how difficult the rigging is going to be...TRUST
ME ...I would chicken out and go build a Fiddlers Green
airplane! It's just one baby step at a time, and a personal
commitment to do the best I can on THAT step! When the steps
begin to come together...the results are pretty fun to look
at! Sometimes I look at it and think "I built that!!!???"
Alright, enough of my pontifications....MORE
PICTURES!!! Tonight I finished the quarter-deck rail and
associated pin rail. I did go about wrapping a thin strip of
paper around the top and bottom of each rail leg...adds just a
bit of visual interest...not quite as nice as "turned" legs,
but not as boring as straight ones!
The pin rail was
pretty straight forward...trim it out, glue the top half to
the bottom half, then I used a pin-vise and a teeny-tiny drill
bit to drill out the belay pin holes. Here's one of those
places where I dare not think too far into the
future...turning all those belay pins is NOT something I'm
looking forward to...I may end up purchasing them from the
local hobby shop! (along with my blocks....thank you very
much, Jim...I DON'T think I'll be building them!)
Well, It's bed
time. Thank you all very much for watching and, I hope,
enjoying my build of this really cool ship, the HMS Cleopatra.
Thanks, again, for the kind words, John and Steve!
Humbly Yours, Max Captain, HMS Cleopatra
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lauckstreetshipyard
I'm still here too Max, enjoying your postings and
updated photos. I love to see a model ship come together. You
are correct in your approach as well. You must stay
concentrated on the task at hand and not look at the overall
complexity and workload of the entire project. All model
shipbuilding must be handled this way, as nothing more than a
buch of little assemblies which you tackle one at a time.
The little box behind the ship's wheel is the
binnacle. This would have had a compass and a lantern or
candle in side it and the side facing the ship's wheel would
be glass so you could see the compass. There would have been
enough space between the binnacle and the ship's wheel so that
a man could stand to one side working the wheel and still be
able to see inside the binnacle to observe the compass. The
kits design is a little tight and my recommendation to others
who might build the Cleo is to install the wheel and binnacle
first leaving just a tad more room and move the hatchs forward
slightly if possible. In your case Max, it's probably too late
to make such adjustments. As you pointed out, it does look a
little tight there.
Keep up the good work and you'll
do fine with the Constitution, it's not much different, Jim
can tell you.
Thanks much,
Bob Hunt The
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