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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Jim,

Thanks for the nice words! I've updated the last bow picture above to point out the blue I had to add to the part. The outline for the area was printed on the piece, it was just not blue. Basically, I'm just going by the photos of the model that came in the kit/book.

I've got all the hatch covers attached now. Going to try to put on some more stuff this evening. I'll post a pic or two later tonight.

Max
Captain, blah, blah, blah


Well, here we are at the end of a Saturday evening and time for another progress report. Once I got all the hatches installed I discovered it's time to start on the really FUN stuff. First up...the Capstan! Fun little part...about 3 hours of fun, as a matter of fact! Went together fairly easily. I've left all the holes for the poles open (and square!, thank you very much!) just in case I want to add the poles later...they aren't included in the parts..but shouldn't be too difficult to bash. Here is a close up of it:



Here's another shot of all the capstan from a little farther back. Also note, there's our Prodigal Hatch Cover!



And, finally, here's a nice overall shot of the hatches and capstan from off the port bow.



Well, next up.....The Ship's Wheel! Now THIS ought to be fun!!

Good night all.....The Captain is off watch.

Max
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By lauckstreetshipyard

Looking really good Max. I thought the hatch gratings were the real thing. The printing detail is extremely good, has a 3D effect as Jim said. I wouldn't have built them up like we do in wood because I don't think the effect would have been as natural looking as the printed ones. I'm still amazed at the detail and realistic appearance of these card stock models. Who would have ever thought you could make such an intricate and detailed model out of paper.

Thanks for posting the photos and showing us your progress. It sure is looking good.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Interim Report:

I've completely lost my mind!


SHIPS WHEEL HANDLES...1 DOWN 19 TO GO

Max
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By maurice

No Larry.
"completely" will be when you try rolling them out of paper.
Smile Smile Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Maurice.....I THOUGHT about it! Toothpics work better!

Progress pic 2...one wheel parts done, I'll wait until the assembly is complete before I glue the handles on. Just a bit to fragile to be handling! Second wheel in progress....glue drying, so I thought I post a pic.



More to com, Max
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By jimkrauzlis

Great, Max!
One question; this is a problem I have been trying to work out on my 1/200 Constitution model. How did you make the rim of the wheel? I have in vain tried to cut out the piece from paper, but it always falls short of being a nice circle, as crisp and clean as your photo shows. There must be some trick to get it to look as good as yours.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Jim,

No big secret here, either.....a sharp #11 and a steady hand. I clean up the edges with my fiscars (see the fiscars about half way down the page: http://s93816356.onlinehome.us/phpbb2/kb.php?mode=article&k=7) if needed after cutting out with the exacto. Here's a pic of the assembly process...just happened to catch me in the right spot to illustrate this!



I cut out one surface ring, then the ring which give the wheel it's thickness, which I coat with super glue to "plasticise" it so I can cut it up to allow for the rungs of the wheel without the VERY SMALL pieces falling apart (the chipboard tends to de-laminate when it's cut into too small of pieces, like this). Then I lay up the rungs and attach the other sides' ring. Then I trim off the rungs flush with the outer edge and, using a fine grit sanding drum on my dremmel, I smooth the edge (another reason I super-glue it...so it can stand up to sanding) and, finally, wrap it with it's "skin" strip.

It's not as nice looking as you might think by looking at the pics, but, I'm going to paint the whole assembly brown when it's done, so a lot of the edges will look much better!

Max
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Good Evening Everybody,

Well, the ships wheel is complete.....oh, nuthin....only about 6 hours, maybe a little more! It's not perfect, and I had to add about 1/16" to the bottom of the supports for the handles to clear the deck (just couldn't make them any smaller with the tools I have. But, all in all, it's better than other ships wheels I've made that were just printed and cut out. Add a lot of visual interest to the deck. Once all the cannon are on board this thing's gonna look pretty good. : )



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Good Evening Everybody,

Well, the ships wheel is complete.....oh, nuthin....only about 6 hours, maybe a little more! It's not perfect, and I had to add about 1/16" to the bottom of the supports for the handles to clear the deck (just couldn't make them any smaller with the tools I have. But, all in all, it's better than other ships wheels I've made that were just printed and cut out. Add a lot of visual interest to the deck. Once all the cannon are on board this thing's gonna look pretty good. : )



Good Night

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By jimkrauzlis

Fear not, Max, you are not alone at sea!
Reading and enjoying your updates, as always.
I am perplexed (not too unusual for me, actually) to read they did not provide a finishing piece for the edge of the quarterdeck. Surely that cannot be right!?! They did provide the rail though, right?

I looked at my photos from the Russian site and it seems to show a finishing piece for the forecastle deck, but I could not find a photo from the right angle for the quarterdeck. Does your photo show the quarterdeck as seen from the waist?

If I can only figure out how to post photos to this thread I might be able to show you my photo...how do I do that?

Keep them updates and photos coming, Max!!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Jim,

Thanks for the encouragement! I looked VERY HARD, SEVERAL TIMES through the parts and still could not find a piece for it. Though, I have been proven wrong on missing parts previously ; ) I haven't started looking for the Forecastle Deck trim part, yet, but I fear the same conclusion. The good news is, they are pretty easy to create. I just put a piece of cardstock against the edge to trace the contour/camber of the deck and transferred it to my colored stock.


The photos you see are the same ones that come in the booklet/kit, so you're seeing what I'm seeing. There is one shot where you can see the smallest bit of the edge of the quarterdeck and it seems to show what I have built on my model. The base, posts and rail are all provided, though i did need to add a couple more layers to the posts (they provided a front piece, middle piece and back piece) to bring the part to a square as the footprint on the rail base seems to indicate.


To post a picture in these threads you 1) need to save your image (optimized to a nice small file size)(I can help you with that if you need) to a web server. I have space on my ISP server provided as part of my service, so I put my pics in a folder there. 2) Once the images are put on a server, you need to point to them using an HTML Image reference tag here in your post. It will look like this:



The "http: ....~larrymax/" is the reference to my ISP and my space on their server ....picture1 is in the folder "models" which is in the folder "images"...the name of the picture MUST include the .jpg (or .gif or .bmp or whatever) suffix, and don't forget the quotation marks before http and after .jpg.

When you get it right, and you hit the "preview button" you SHOULD see your image in the place of the HTML code, like this:



Once your image appears, hit the "submit" button and all the world will see your pretty pictures, too. Of course the alternative is to just create your own Picture Album here on this site and put your pics in there.... : )

So, there you go! Piece of cake! HA HA HA...don't worry took me about 5 days to get it right with help from the rest of the gang here.

Good Luck and thanks again for the encouragement,
Max
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Corporal_Trim

Larry,

I've been lurking on this thread since joining up here. But I have to step in now and say it, your ship is looking flat-out gorgeous ! To take such painstaking care with the model with all that rigging still ahead - hats off to your patience, powers of concentration and modeling skills.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By jyduchene

Larry,

I've been following your progress and consider it the high point of my surfing each evening. I sat down on Sunday night and read the thread "cover to cover". I realized that there are some techniques and tricks I use now and had forgotten were I had learned them. It was in this thread.

My number one favorite trick is using minwax wood hardner to increase paper rigidity. I am building some Fiddlersgreen airplanes as a break from larger projects and on a whim, I painted the entire finished plane with minwax using a foam brush. The results were striking. The color was stable, it seemed to deepen the color making it look a little richer and the paper feels more like a plastic. I have become bold in its use.

This ramble is in response to your quiry "is anyone was out there?". I think many of us check in on you reqularly but I myself don't have much to offer a master other then admiration. So there you go, my thanks and apprecition for your skill and for sharing it with us.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Progress Report, Thursday January 22, 2004

WOW! I'm truely overwhelmed (and a little embarrased) by your comments Steve, John! Thank you! Now THAT'S some motivation! I'm thrilled that this thread has proven to be helpful to some of you guys! All the credit for the minwax tip goes to Gil! He's been busy working on some other projects lately, and I hope we get to hear from him here again soon! I can't wait to see the Victory start to take shape. Steve, as far as patience and concentration....you know, actually, I just look at it this way...I only have a very few hours during the week that I can work on Cleo, so when I get the opportunity, I look at the next assembly step...and ONLY the next assembly step, and think, OK., THIS is what I'm going to build tonight...whether it be a bulkhead section, fabricating handles for the ships wheel, putting together a cannon or putting together a ships rail..I take that single task and do the absolute, very best job on it that I can manage with my limited skills and tools....If I try to see how much there is to go till I finish...or how difficult the rigging is going to be...TRUST ME ...I would chicken out and go build a Fiddlers Green airplane! It's just one baby step at a time, and a personal commitment to do the best I can on THAT step! When the steps begin to come together...the results are pretty fun to look at! Sometimes I look at it and think "I built that!!!???"

Alright, enough of my pontifications....MORE PICTURES!!! Tonight I finished the quarter-deck rail and associated pin rail. I did go about wrapping a thin strip of paper around the top and bottom of each rail leg...adds just a bit of visual interest...not quite as nice as "turned" legs, but not as boring as straight ones!



The pin rail was pretty straight forward...trim it out, glue the top half to the bottom half, then I used a pin-vise and a teeny-tiny drill bit to drill out the belay pin holes. Here's one of those places where I dare not think too far into the future...turning all those belay pins is NOT something I'm looking forward to...I may end up purchasing them from the local hobby shop! (along with my blocks....thank you very much, Jim...I DON'T think I'll be building them!)



Well, It's bed time. Thank you all very much for watching and, I hope, enjoying my build of this really cool ship, the HMS Cleopatra. Thanks, again, for the kind words, John and Steve!

Humbly Yours,
Max
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lauckstreetshipyard

I'm still here too Max, enjoying your postings and updated photos. I love to see a model ship come together. You are correct in your approach as well. You must stay concentrated on the task at hand and not look at the overall complexity and workload of the entire project. All model shipbuilding must be handled this way, as nothing more than a buch of little assemblies which you tackle one at a time.

The little box behind the ship's wheel is the binnacle. This would have had a compass and a lantern or candle in side it and the side facing the ship's wheel would be glass so you could see the compass. There would have been enough space between the binnacle and the ship's wheel so that a man could stand to one side working the wheel and still be able to see inside the binnacle to observe the compass. The kits design is a little tight and my recommendation to others who might build the Cleo is to install the wheel and binnacle first leaving just a tad more room and move the hatchs forward slightly if possible. In your case Max, it's probably too late to make such adjustments. As you pointed out, it does look a little tight there.

Keep up the good work and you'll do fine with the Constitution, it's not much different, Jim can tell you.

Thanks much,

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