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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Nobi
Hi Larry,
LOL and LOL
I like your Marty,
maybe he can tell me what a dilicious of Elmer Glue can be
----- Best Regards NOBI
"If the model
turns into a failure -- immediately tell everyone it's a
prototype"
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By lauckstreetshipyard
I must say, that Victory model is awesome and to think
that it's made of paper. I ordered the kit and will wait now
most anxiously for it to arrive. I'm building the Victory
Panart wooden kit right now which is my Senior course and I
have a Caldercraft Victory wooden kit waiting to be built.
This is my 5th Victory model so it looks like I'll reach 7 of
them if I live long enough!
Max, the Cleo is sure
looking good as well.
Ron, thanks for the welcome.
And I see one of my practicum members here, Jim
Krauzlis, hello to Jim.
Take care and happy modeling,
Bob Hunt The College of Model Shipbuilding http://www.lauckstreetshipyard.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/Group/ShipModelingCollege | |
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Maurice
Larry
Your Beakhead goes well and I see includes provision
for "the seats of ease" To this day such facilities in
ships are still referred to as the "heads" although technology
allows more convient placement. The catsheads found their
name since only the ship's cat had the necessary agility.
You'd better explain all this to Marty, tactfully of
course.
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By jimkrauzlis
Hi,
Max a/k/a Larry. She's looking awesome each step of the
way! Can't wait to finish some of my projects to get going on
my own! Nice work on the catheads. Hi, Bob! Glad to
see you're aboard! Guys, you just have to see Bob's amazing
ship models on his website. Yeah, they're made out of wood,
but that's okay, don't hold that against him, they're
extraordinary in their own right. I have to admit
I'm a wooden ship modeler myself, been building them for a
good thirty years or so, though life style changes have slowed
that up a bit. I am anxiously awaiting to see how this kit
tackles the grating construction. Max, have you decided
whether to dive into paper block building or to use wooden
replacements, since this kit will no doubt use quite a bit of
them along the way. I just thought of that as you mentioned
the construction of the catheads; if that was made of a lot of
layers to create the sheaves, I can only imagine what the
block construction will be like. Jim | |
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Peter H
Welcome
Bob Hunt (the Admiral). On advice I looked over you marvelous
website (sort of an understatement).... be great to read your
around here.
Thanks Maurice for the clues, I've always
wondered actually where they were, Was checking one out and
this wicked silver point flashed up past me and my life
imediatly past me by. I gather the "Bidet" only works when the
ship is facing into strong seas.
Regardless, it
gorgeous and very sound work Larry and a thrill to squizz over
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Larrymax
Good
evening gentlemen and ladies.
Got a little more done
this evening. Installed a couple of knees under the catheads,
then got busy on the first couple of hatch covers.
Heres a head on bow shot just for the fun of it!
The
hatch covers are printed a little oddly....not sure why they
just didn't print the combings right into the proper place in
the frames, but....a little extra work to cut out the openings
in the frames and insert the combings...no big deal. What they
did NOT include was a color piece to cover the top of the
framework...and white paper just would NOT due! So...off to
the printer. I have a full sheet of cardstock as well as
regular weight paper printed with only the brown color from
the model for just this type of situation...where I need to
cut out a part that matches, but was not included in the kit.
I just traced out the framework, then cut the combing holes
out from it, then glued it to the top of the hatch
assembly....
...glued the whole thing to one more
thickness of chipboard to bring it up to the proper height,
added a color strip around the sides, then attached the whole
assembly to the deck.
Well just a few more hatches to go now,
including the extra (no parts included!) hatch under the
canteleverd aft deck!) Then it's on to a bunch of deck
furniture....lots of bits and pieces...It's really starting to
look shiplike!
P.S. I've only knocked one of the
catheads off ONCE so far! Not bad...I ought to break them off
only about 5 or 6 more times at this rate before I'm done!
Sounds like some epoxy might be in order!
P.P.S. My
USS Constitution comes tomorrow!!!!! : )
Larry
Captain, HMS Cleopatra Paper Navy of the Bear Flag
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By lauckstreetshipyard
Looking good Max. One question, I noticed the grate on
that forward hatch was a tan or yellow color and the other
grates were a brown color. Was that the way the kit came or
did you paint one of them? I think I like the lighter color
contrasted against the brown hatch combing myself. Good idea,
having copies of the brown colored paper made to add that top
hatch combing piece. Thanks for that tip.
Bob Hunt
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By lauckstreetshipyard
Thanks for the Welcome aboard Peter, and for your
comments. I'm thuroughly enjoying this forum and Max's photos
of the Cleo. I'm very anxious to see some photos of the
Victory kit if someone can post them. This was one of the kits
I purchased, along with the Cleo.
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By Larrymax
Bob,
Yes, I was wondering about the color difference on
that forward hatch, myself. The combings came the color that
you see in the photos. I expect the forward hatch combings are
wrong and will need to be replaced.....that is unless someone
with more knowledge than me (like you, Bob, for instance!)
would know if they actually might have used different woods
for the different hatches. ??
Max Captain, HMS
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By lauckstreetshipyard
Hi Max,
Actually, the pictures I have
of HMS Victory does show the gratings a lighter wood. The
combings are a dark brown and the about the color of maple,
light tan. I know for models I build, I always like to do the
gratings in a contrasting lighter wood than the hatch combings
themselves.
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Larrymax
I'm VERY
excited this evening for TWO reasons! 1st: The Prodigal Hatch
Cover has been found and returned home! Our little
"Non-existant" hatch cover that I was just getting ready to
scratch build....well in the progress of building the others,
I came across a grating in the group that somehow just didn't
fit the program....How's this...the covers are numbered 121,
122, 123, 124, 16, 125, 126, 127 and 128. WAIT A MINUTE!!!
16!! Where the heck did that come from! Yes, ladies and
gentlemen they numbered the missing hatch cover 16! and then
didn't bother to reference it ANYWHERE in the assembly
diagrams! Oh well! I'm happy it's home and now I'm going to
install it!
And, the 2nd reason I'm happy is that my USS
CONSTITUTION came today!!! IT'S BEAUTIFUL!!!! My son, who was
home today, wrapped it all up in Christmas paper (ribbon, bow
and all) ..broke out one of our little artificial trees,
decorated it, and put my Connie under it for when I got home.
WHAT A GREAT KID! : )
As promised, I won't start my
Constitution until I finish with Cleo......besides, I'm going
to build a room in a part of my garage where I can build her
and not worry about making a mess or having to pick everything
up every night!
Happily Yours Max Captain, HMS
Cleopatra and USS Constitution Paper (and wood) Navy of
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By maurice
Larry
A parent who thinks his kids are great and lets them
know they are, will have great kids. Well done.
Back to Jim's
photo http://204.119.244.226/World/Victory/pages/View%20of%20foredeck.htm
It shows 3 seperate gratings set in a single combing or
frame, the latter definitely painted dark. I submit that
whatever you like, would be an acceptable representation and
none can prove you wrong.
Now if any wish to drive
themselves totally insane in the search for unachievable
authenticity I may well be able to assist. None of the
guns currently on HMS Victory are thought to come from her
Trafalgar outfit. They were all landed at the time of her
repair after the battle. The breeching ring on top of the
cascable to retain the breeching rope did not start to be
included in the casting of cannons until after 1801. Cannon
with ringless cascubles remained in use for many years.
Which style would have been in Victory at Trafalgar, and
which in Cleo. For the difference, see http://www.stvincent.ac.uk/Heritage/1797/Victory/guns.html
and http://www.ussconstitution.navy.mil/xlongguns.html
Oh and then there's the quoins. My impression is that
whilst American quoins of the period had little handles
sticking out the back, the British made do with a small loop
of rope passing through a hole drilled vertically at the thick
end.
I daren't go on.
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By jimkrauzlis
LOL!
Larry, glad your Constitution arrived. Pretty awesome kit,
no?
By the way, do you have any suggestions on how to
make the gratings and coamings? On my 1/200 Constitution they
are just too small to make individual holes, but on you Cleo I
think you have the holes on the grating, right? Before I botch
up my next kit on this fitting, are there any clues, tips or
tricks you might impart to the lesser skilled of us (i.e.,
me!) that might help avoid a major disaster? I'm sure you
are familiar with the wooden ship model method; is the same
thing done in paper? Professor, your class is all ears
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By Larrymax
Jim,
I'm afraid I'm about to burst a bubble here...and I
hope you won't think less of me for it! The answer to the
hatch combings is simplicity itself! I cut the printed part
out and glue it to the proper thickness of cardstock, add the
cover over the top, add the color strip around the edges, then
glue it to the ship! I know that's probably NOT the answer you
wanted to hear but it's the shocking truth! Many, many card
models take advantage of a printers capability to reproduce
minute detail, i.e. lug nuts on wheels, cockpit
instrumentation on planes and gratings on hatch covers on
ships (planking lines and nail heads, too, for that matter)!
Now....for those truley psycho enough to give it a shot, I
suppose you could print the proper color stock and cut each
rung of the grate individually, create a small black box under
the grate and lay up all the rungs over the box, but frankly,
I don't feel its worth the effort for a detail very few would
notice or appreciate! There are Soooooo many more details that
are so much more visually appealing (rigging the cannon,
detailing the rigging, etc.) that it's not worth the payoff
for the time spent! It's like any other model....you have the
option to enhance detail to any degree you wish, in the case
of cardstock models, a lot of those details are given to you
"out of the box". See, were basically a VERY easily distracted
lot over here...if something takes too long or is too
difficult, we're likley to "put it aside until late", start
another model, and never come back to it again!!! (C'mon, the
rest of you guys know EXACTLY what I'm talking about!) Here's
a close up of one of Cleo's hatches.....Sorry about bursting
your bubble!
All that being said, rest assured, Jim and
Admiral Bob, my Connie will have EVERY bolt installed in
exactly the proper position on her bulwarks, every caronaid
(sp?) and cannon properley and completely rigged and every
line properly siezed! For this ship, I'm gonna be as
psycho-anal about detail as Bob's Practicum will allow me to
be! : ) (after I finish Cleo, of course!)
Here's
another shot of the port bow with the first of the color
panels and a decorative piece added to the assembly (I had to
paint the blue area on this piece as it was supplied
brown)...See Jim...I DO add some of the details the kit
doesn't supply! ) ; )
Appogetically Yours, Max, Captain of
Taking the Easy Way Out HMS Clopatra Paper Navy of the
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By jimkrauzlis
Max,
no bubble burst, and in no way could I think less of you...no,
wait; that didn't come out right! 8-O Seriously, I am
amazed each time I see how incredible this model is coming
out, step by step. I was curious if the kit made you cut out
each slat for the gratings, but the printed version looks just
great (no pun intended!) and it looked to me to be 3d
gratings! Actually, I'm happy you don't need to go through all
that extra work to replicate a great looking grating like the
ones you built. The time is indeed spent better on other
details, and less tedious. I could be wrong, but I think
it is "carronades". What decorative piece did you have to paint blue
from brown? It thought all the frescos were blue background
with yellow-gold carvings; did the publishers miss one in the
process? REALLY looking great, Max! I am learning a lot
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