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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Corporal_Trim

Originally written by Larrymax on 2004-01-22 1:48 AM

Steve, as far as patience and concentration....you know, actually, I just look at it this way...I only have a very few hours during the week that I can work on Cleo, so when I get the opportunity, I look at the next assembly step...and ONLY the next assembly step, and think, OK., THIS is what I'm going to build tonight...whether it be a bulkhead section, fabricating handles for the ships wheel, putting together a cannon or putting together a ships rail..I take that single task and do the absolute, very best job on it that I can manage with my limited skills and tools....If I try to see how much there is to go till I finish...or how difficult the rigging is going to be...TRUST ME ...I would chicken out and go build a Fiddlers Green airplane! It's just one baby step at a time, and a personal commitment to do the best I can on THAT step! When the steps begin to come together...the results are pretty fun to look at! Sometimes I look at it and think "I built that!!!???"



Well put. I feel that way myself, but you have articulated it for me in print. My shipbuilding interests lie in the era of the coal-burning steel navy, but yes, those same principles apply ! Pondering further what it is I'm liking so much about card modeling and I think it's this. The medium is demanding yet friendly, tactile. There's a simple pleasure in fabricating everything from a 2D piece of cardstock that is rewarding in and of itself. You get zoned in on that, and it somehow enhances pleasure of completing those small discrete steps (wood is the same way). Whereas, not to slight plastic modeling (which I have done my share of over the years), there is still the enjoyment of following the plans and assembling something, but the construction in plastic seems more simply a means to an end. Am I making sense here ?

Anyhow, please excuse the digression, and back to the Cleopatra.

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Steve
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By maurice

Larry

This is magnificent work and you deserve to be proud of it.
As Jim has already said you are not alone. It looks to me as if at least 50 people come past here for their daily fix of inspiration.
Not all of them can be expected to admit that they couldn't hope to match what you are achieving.
There is a reason why I definitely haven't got a copy of the kit.

Maurice
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Peter H

I'm lurking too ... the thread is a great read and a high point in the day for me as well when a entry pops up. Some excellent photography.

Great progress Larry and all the best to Gill
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

How I spent my Summer Vacation....OK maybe not my Summer Vacation...but for sure my Saturday Afternoon!!


Box-O-Cannons

OK....I feel loved, again! Thank you for all the nice comments. Maurice, I dissagree...If I can do this...any of you can....it's nothing any of you haven't done a hundred times.....just more of it...and on one model.

Gotta go make some barrels!

Good night
Max
Captain, HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By maurice

>>>Maurice, I dissagree...<<<

Larry

Ah.
You mean they can be expected to admit it.
RITA
(rolling in the aisle)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your right about all writing and no action...mia culpa

There are a acouple of things though,

1) I can build most of my planes and cars in my head long before I get the scalpel out. Your just starting the deck furniture and there is all that "stringy" stuff to go yet. I'm watching how some "old hands" do it first.

2) If it was easy everyone would do it. I've looked around and there is no free cardmodel ships ianywhere near the same scope as your models. If you know where their hidden I would love to have a try, otherwise I'll keep saving for another 4-16 planes worth of loot after the kids emptied me over xmas. Actually since this has got to be something that goes way back into the 1800's when cardmodelling was around and most things are in the public domain from around 1900-1905 how come there isn't something to start on somewhere. It's not like I'm waiting for a model of a Mig29 to get into the public domain ??
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:56 pm    Post subject: To Build A Ship....the HMS Victory and Cleopatra Reply with quote

cut the excuses....get that scalpel out yer head.....and pwactice on this one
http://jtdigest.narod.ru/dig4_01/museum.htm
alta vista will giv a fair go on the instructions
do to any level of complexitty you want

cheap too
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:38 am    Post subject: To Build A Ship....the HMS Victory and Cleopatra Reply with quote

Well, I'm aboard....I think!?!
Jim Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good evening Ladies and Gentlemen!

This is the first time I'm posting my update to the new site. I've posted this one, already at the old site, but now, and for a while, I'll post to both locations! There are a lot of folks not transferred over here yet and I don't want anyone to feel left out. I'm going to encourage everyone to come over here, but I'm sure it will take time. So, If you've already read this post, my appologies, if not....here's the next installment! Very Happy (Ooooo...smiley faces!)

Well, coming on line this evening and checking in with my FAVORITE web site, ...then I came here! HA....Just kidding Ron! THIS is my favorite web site! ... I was reading Ron's note on the home page about us getting moved over to the new server. In my efforts to be a good, cooperative poster and visitor to this site, I am going to start posting my updates over there....as soon as I am able to, anyway....So all of you that are enjoying following along in this thread, please go to the new site and get logged in so we can continue our adventure in ship building, OK!

This evening I'm going to post a series of pics of how I assemble my cannons. You've seen the finished product installed when I placed the 4 cannon under the cantelever of the aft deck, but I've not documented how I actually build them. I'm putting together the 10 cannon on the main gun deck....hopefully, doing the assemblies 10 at a time will cut down on the "per cannon" time. I just try to think of myself as a little cannon assembly line! You saw the little box of parts I cut out on Saturday...those were the carriages. Tonight's pics are of the assembly of the cannon barrels.



Step 1: Cut out and roll up the piece. I scanned the supplied sheet and printed it on regular bond paper to facilitate rolling. Then I cut lengths of progressively thinner paper strips to wrap around the end of the gun to achieve the "flair" of the barrel end.



Step 2: Cut approx 1/32" strips for the barrel rings and glue at the provided markings. I wrapped each one around the barrel twice to achieve a nice thickness of the rings.



Step 3: Once the glue dried, I used my Tombow marker pens to color the cannon. They are colored a kind of mottled dark grey - to black to give them a "not quite new" look.

[img]home.aaris.net/~larrymax/images/models/cannonassy4.jpg[/img]

Step 4: Drill holes for inserting the mounting pins.



Step 5: All 10 cannon with their mounting pins installed. The pins are whittled down from toothpics to about 1/64" diameter.



Step 6: Spent a while cutting out the eyelets that will attatch to the sides of the carriage for the recoil line to pass through. I color a bit of paper, then soak it with super glue. When dry, I poke holes in it with a small/sharp pokey tool (that's the technical term for it!) then carefully trim around the hole to create the eyelet. These guys are SMALL! NOT recommended for the myopically challenged!



Step 7: Next come the quons (sp?) These are pretty easy... I just cut out a little strip of illustration board, cut out a piece about 3/8" long, place it into the crotch of a pair of pliers and squish one end down to form the wedge shape. I used a little slice of wood glued to the end of the quon for the handle, then I squished it toward the inside end to give it a little shape.....seems these itsy bitsy pieces are easier to Squish into shape than to carve into shape!

Well, that's all for now. The great SAGA OF THE CANNON will have to continue another evening. I'm all built out for today.

Max
Captain, HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captains Log
Monday, February 2, 2004

Well, It was an exciting Superbowl! Great game, great Superbowl Party, good friends, good food, and a free shot from Janet! What more could one ask of a Superbowl! : )

I've been busy building cannon in what little free time I've managed to scrape together since Friday. I've got 4 more completed. The assembly line technique seems to be working quite well. Now that I have all the various parts completed and in bins, I just go right down the line, pick up the parts, glue them together, add the rigging and viola! A little cannon! Got it down to about an hour and a half per cannon now and I think that's about as good as it's going to get. (Don't be discouraged, Gil. I'm being overly anal about these little things and doing more than a sane person really needs to get a good looking cannon!) A SANE person would have just bought the premade cannons! sheesh! Oh well, I'm having fun.

Anyway, heres a pic of all the miscellaneous bits and 4 more assembled cannon.



Parts count: Barrel = 12 Carriage = 11 Recoil Line = 7
Total parts per cannon = 30

Until we meet again, I remain
Insanely Yours
Max
Captain, HMS Cleopatra and all her Ittsy Bitsy Cannon
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOWIE WOW WOW!!
Well, those are some fine looking cannons you got there, Max!
Now why would you have wanted to miss all that fun in making them by going to a pre-made barrel? I mean, really, you must be enjoying an enormous sense of accomplishment having built those beauties, something you would not enjoy if you went the easier route, right? Okay, so you'll be dreaming about their construction for a few nights, but just think of the wonderous dreams you'll enjoy when you start to tackle all those blocks! Wink

Wait, you need gun tackles, right? Well, those dreams can be yours right now! Shocked

Seriously, those cannon are BE-EWE-TEE-FULL!!
Good going, Captain! Steady as she goes
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cannons are beautifully done I think you will have to build one extra to mount seperately, otherwise they will get poked to death by everybody who sees the model.

Thanks for all the fun I have to keep logging on for my bedtime fix.

barry
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Hunt asks: " Cannons look really good Max, but I don't see the cascabel on the center barrel by itself. How did you model the cascabel on them?"

Bob Hunt
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Bob, You're right. I hadn't put that bit on the barrel I photographed, yet! Oops!

How I make them is sort of disgusting! I get a little piece of tissue paper (like you use for wrapping Christmas presents),....and I do mean little...after experimenting I've found a that a bit about half the size of a dime works best, I put a little drop of elmers glue on it, then (here comes the disgusting part!) roll it around in my fingers like a bugger! (I WARNED YOU!) Once it's nice and round, I flick it out the car window.....OH WAIT!....NO!,.. I glue it to the end of the barrel!

Once the cascabel is dry, I color it up then I lay the recoil line over it and add the little "retaining ring" over the rope, glued to the cascabel and the top of the barrel.

And, there you have it! The ugly truth about my modeling techniques! I hold NOTHING back from you guys! Though, you may wish I WOULD!

Max
Captain, HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic

P.S. Barry, You may be right! Actually, I've been thinking of ways I can make cannons for the ships stand. Bigger, of course, but I think that would look pretty cool!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evening Ladies and Gents,

Jim asked to see a few close ups of the new cannons, so, here you go:





Also, I was sent an email from Igor, in Russia (yes, that's REALLY his name!)....seems he wants to post our favorite thread on the building of Cleopatra on his Russian web site and translate the thread for all our friends on the other side of the globe! I love the internet!

Got to go build some more cannons. By the way, have you all seen the new Forum for all us Ship Modeler types!!! Guess who's moderating it!!!!

Yours, probably forever!
Max
Captain and Moderator HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag (and Russian) Navy
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, here's a little sketch of my first thoughts on rolling my masts!


Max
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