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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Corporal_Trim
Originally written
by Larrymax on 2004-01-22 1:48 AM
Steve, as far as
patience and concentration....you know, actually, I just look
at it this way...I only have a very few hours during the week
that I can work on Cleo, so when I get the opportunity, I look
at the next assembly step...and ONLY the next assembly step,
and think, OK., THIS is what I'm going to build
tonight...whether it be a bulkhead section, fabricating
handles for the ships wheel, putting together a cannon or
putting together a ships rail..I take that single task and do
the absolute, very best job on it that I can manage with my
limited skills and tools....If I try to see how much there is
to go till I finish...or how difficult the rigging is going to
be...TRUST ME ...I would chicken out and go build a Fiddlers
Green airplane! It's just one baby step at a time, and a
personal commitment to do the best I can on THAT step! When
the steps begin to come together...the results are pretty fun
to look at! Sometimes I look at it and think "I built
that!!!???"
Well put. I feel that way
myself, but you have articulated it for me in print. My
shipbuilding interests lie in the era of the coal-burning
steel navy, but yes, those same principles apply ! Pondering
further what it is I'm liking so much about card modeling and
I think it's this. The medium is demanding yet friendly,
tactile. There's a simple pleasure in fabricating everything
from a 2D piece of cardstock that is rewarding in and of
itself. You get zoned in on that, and it somehow enhances
pleasure of completing those small discrete steps (wood is the
same way). Whereas, not to slight plastic modeling (which I
have done my share of over the years), there is still the
enjoyment of following the plans and assembling something, but
the construction in plastic seems more simply a means to an
end. Am I making sense here ?
Anyhow, please excuse
the digression, and back to the Cleopatra.
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Ron Site
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By maurice
Larry
This is magnificent work and you deserve to be proud
of it. As Jim has already said you are not alone. It looks
to me as if at least 50 people come past here for their daily
fix of inspiration. Not all of them can be expected to
admit that they couldn't hope to match what you are achieving.
There is a reason why I definitely haven't got a copy of
the kit.
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Ron Site
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Peter H
I'm
lurking too ... the thread is a great read and a high point in
the day for me as well when a entry pops up. Some excellent
photography.
Great progress Larry and all the best to
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Ron Site
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Posted: Sun Jan
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By Larrymax
How I
spent my Summer Vacation....OK maybe not my Summer
Vacation...but for sure my Saturday Afternoon!!
Box-O-Cannons
OK....I feel loved, again! Thank you for all the nice
comments. Maurice, I dissagree...If I can do this...any of you
can....it's nothing any of you haven't done a hundred
times.....just more of it...and on one model.
Gotta go
make some barrels!
Good night Max Captain, HMS
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Ron Site
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Posted: Sun Jan
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By maurice
>>>Maurice, I dissagree...<<<
Larry
Ah. You mean they can be expected to
admit it. RITA (rolling in the aisle)
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Peter H
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Your right about all
writing and no action...mia culpa
There are a acouple
of things though,
1) I can build most of my planes and
cars in my head long before I get the scalpel out. Your just
starting the deck furniture and there is all that "stringy"
stuff to go yet. I'm watching how some "old hands" do it
first.
2) If it was easy everyone would do it. I've
looked around and there is no free cardmodel ships ianywhere
near the same scope as your models. If you know where their
hidden I would love to have a try, otherwise I'll keep saving
for another 4-16 planes worth of loot after the kids emptied
me over xmas. Actually since this has got to be something that
goes way back into the 1800's when cardmodelling was around
and most things are in the public domain from around 1900-1905
how come there isn't something to start on somewhere. It's not
like I'm waiting for a model of a Mig29 to get into the public
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neoneanderthal
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Posted: Mon Jan
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subject: To Build A Ship....the HMS Victory and
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cut the excuses....get that
scalpel out yer head.....and pwactice on this one http://jtdigest.narod.ru/dig4_01/museum.htm
alta vista will giv a fair go on the instructions do
to any level of complexitty you want
cheap too
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Jimkrauzlis

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27, 2004 7:38 am Post
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Well, I'm aboard....I
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larrymax

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Good evening Ladies and
Gentlemen!
This is the first time I'm posting my
update to the new site. I've posted this one, already at the
old site, but now, and for a while, I'll post to both
locations! There are a lot of folks not transferred over here
yet and I don't want anyone to feel left out. I'm going to
encourage everyone to come over here, but I'm sure it will
take time. So, If you've already read this post, my
appologies, if not....here's the next installment!
(Ooooo...smiley faces!)
Well, coming on line this
evening and checking in with my FAVORITE web site, ...then I
came here! HA....Just kidding Ron! THIS is my favorite web
site! ... I was reading Ron's note on the home page about us
getting moved over to the new server. In my efforts to be a
good, cooperative poster and visitor to this site, I am going
to start posting my updates over there....as soon as I am able
to, anyway....So all of you that are enjoying following along
in this thread, please go to the new site and get logged in so
we can continue our adventure in ship building, OK!
This evening I'm going to post a series of pics of how
I assemble my cannons. You've seen the finished product
installed when I placed the 4 cannon under the cantelever of
the aft deck, but I've not documented how I actually build
them. I'm putting together the 10 cannon on the main gun
deck....hopefully, doing the assemblies 10 at a time will cut
down on the "per cannon" time. I just try to think of myself
as a little cannon assembly line! You saw the little box of
parts I cut out on Saturday...those were the carriages.
Tonight's pics are of the assembly of the cannon barrels.
Step 1: Cut out and roll up the piece. I scanned the
supplied sheet and printed it on regular bond paper to
facilitate rolling. Then I cut lengths of progressively
thinner paper strips to wrap around the end of the gun to
achieve the "flair" of the barrel end.
Step 2: Cut
approx 1/32" strips for the barrel rings and glue at the
provided markings. I wrapped each one around the barrel twice
to achieve a nice thickness of the rings.
Step 3: Once
the glue dried, I used my Tombow marker pens to color the
cannon. They are colored a kind of mottled dark grey - to
black to give them a "not quite new" look.
[img]home.aaris.net/~larrymax/images/models/cannonassy4.jpg[/img]
Step 4: Drill holes for inserting the mounting pins.
Step 5: All 10 cannon with their mounting pins
installed. The pins are whittled down from toothpics to about
1/64" diameter.
Step 6: Spent a while cutting out the
eyelets that will attatch to the sides of the carriage for the
recoil line to pass through. I color a bit of paper, then soak
it with super glue. When dry, I poke holes in it with a
small/sharp pokey tool (that's the technical term for it!)
then carefully trim around the hole to create the eyelet.
These guys are SMALL! NOT recommended for the myopically
challenged!
Step 7: Next come the quons (sp?) These are
pretty easy... I just cut out a little strip of illustration
board, cut out a piece about 3/8" long, place it into the
crotch of a pair of pliers and squish one end down to form the
wedge shape. I used a little slice of wood glued to the end of
the quon for the handle, then I squished it toward the inside
end to give it a little shape.....seems these itsy bitsy
pieces are easier to Squish into shape than to carve into
shape!
Well, that's all for now. The great SAGA OF THE
CANNON will have to continue another evening. I'm all built
out for today.
Max Captain, HMS Cleopatra
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Captains Log Monday,
February 2, 2004
Well, It was an exciting Superbowl!
Great game, great Superbowl Party, good friends, good food,
and a free shot from Janet! What more could one ask of a
Superbowl! : )
I've been busy building cannon in what
little free time I've managed to scrape together since Friday.
I've got 4 more completed. The assembly line technique seems
to be working quite well. Now that I have all the various
parts completed and in bins, I just go right down the line,
pick up the parts, glue them together, add the rigging and
viola! A little cannon! Got it down to about an hour and a
half per cannon now and I think that's about as good as it's
going to get. (Don't be discouraged, Gil. I'm being overly
anal about these little things and doing more than a sane
person really needs to get a good looking cannon!) A SANE
person would have just bought the premade cannons! sheesh! Oh
well, I'm having fun.
Anyway, heres a pic of all the
miscellaneous bits and 4 more assembled cannon.
Parts count:
Barrel = 12 Carriage = 11 Recoil Line = 7 Total parts per
cannon = 30
Until we meet again, I remain Insanely
Yours Max Captain, HMS Cleopatra and all her Ittsy
Bitsy Cannon Paper Navy of the Bear Flag
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Jimkrauzlis

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WOWIE WOW WOW!! Well,
those are some fine looking cannons you got there, Max!
Now why would you have wanted to miss all that fun in
making them by going to a pre-made barrel? I mean, really, you
must be enjoying an enormous sense of accomplishment having
built those beauties, something you would not enjoy if you
went the easier route, right? Okay, so you'll be dreaming
about their construction for a few nights, but just think of
the wonderous dreams you'll enjoy when you start to tackle all
those blocks!
Wait, you need gun tackles, right? Well,
those dreams can be yours right now!
Seriously, those
cannon are BE-EWE-TEE-FULL!! Good going, Captain! Steady
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barry
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The cannons are beautifully
done I think you will have to build one extra to mount
seperately, otherwise they will get poked to death by
everybody who sees the model.
Thanks for all the fun I
have to keep logging on for my bedtime fix.
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larrymax

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Bob Hunt asks: " Cannons
look really good Max, but I don't see the cascabel on the
center barrel by itself. How did you model the cascabel on
them?"
Bob Hunt The College of Model Shipbuilding
http://www.lauckstreetshipyard.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ShipModelingCollege
Bob, You're right. I hadn't put that bit on the barrel
I photographed, yet! Oops!
How I make them is sort of
disgusting! I get a little piece of tissue paper (like you use
for wrapping Christmas presents),....and I do mean
little...after experimenting I've found a that a bit about
half the size of a dime works best, I put a little drop of
elmers glue on it, then (here comes the disgusting part!) roll
it around in my fingers like a bugger! (I WARNED YOU!) Once
it's nice and round, I flick it out the car window.....OH
WAIT!....NO!,.. I glue it to the end of the barrel!
Once the cascabel is dry, I color it up then I lay the
recoil line over it and add the little "retaining ring" over
the rope, glued to the cascabel and the top of the barrel.
And, there you have it! The ugly truth about my
modeling techniques! I hold NOTHING back from you guys!
Though, you may wish I WOULD!
Max Captain, HMS
Cleopatra Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic
P.S. Barry, You may be right! Actually, I've been
thinking of ways I can make cannons for the ships stand.
Bigger, of course, but I think that would look pretty
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larrymax

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Evening Ladies and Gents,
Jim asked to see a few close ups of the new cannons,
so, here you go:
Also, I was sent an email from Igor, in Russia (yes,
that's REALLY his name!)....seems he wants to post our
favorite thread on the building of Cleopatra on his Russian
web site and translate the thread for all our friends on the
other side of the globe! I love the internet!
Got to
go build some more cannons. By the way, have you all seen the
new Forum for all us Ship Modeler types!!! Guess who's
moderating it!!!!
Yours, probably forever! Max
Captain and Moderator HMS Cleopatra Paper Navy of the
Bear Flag (and Russian) Navy | |
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larrymax

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Well, here's a little
sketch of my first thoughts on rolling my masts!
Max
Captain, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera... | |
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