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larrymax

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Captains Log Saturday,
February 7 2004
Good Evening ladies and gentlemen of
the Jury. Tonight we reach a small milestone. The cannon of
the Gun Deck are completed and installed (that is, the whole
cannons....the false barrels remain to be installed). All in
all I'm pretty happy with the outcome. Seems like I've been
building cannon forever! Nice to seem the installed.
Cleopatra's finally starting to look like a ship of war!
...and here's a little closer view:
Also, I made
it to the hobby shop this afternoon and picked up some small
blocks and belay pins! I REFUSE to spend 40 hours building
blocks!
Sincerely, Max Captain, HMS Cleopatra
(WITH GUNS!) Paper Navy of the Bear Flag
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larrymax

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Captains Log Sunday,
February 8, 2004 10:40pm California Time
Late....tired....must sleep! Must post pictures
first.....
Gun deck details. Not sure what they
are...one's around the base of the main mast....the
others.....not....
Must
sleep now!
Max Capppttt
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larrymax

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Good Morning All,
Just a little update. Last night I got the three
transome supports built. Nothing too unusual about them. The
most difficult thing was to make sure the angles of the parts
that attach to the hull sides was correct. I tried to trim
them at a "close to it" angle when cutting the illustration
board core for the parts out, but they required sanding to
match up correctly, both to the bulwark and to the transome.
I
also got the main piece of a long pole that sits on the fore
deck and hangs over the port rail. Not sure what it's
for...the photos don't give much information on them. The
overhanging part is close to the head of the anchor head, so
maybe it helps support the anchor. No pics of the area
yet....I'll get some up tonight. Maybe Jim or Admiral Hunt
will know what it is. Also seems there's more detail to it
(from the photos) than what's provided for in the kit....I'll
have to see what's up.
Have A Great Day Max
Captain, HMS Cleopatra Paper Navy of the Bear Flag
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cadwal
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larrymax
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Captains Log Sunday, February 8,
2004 10:40pm California Time
Gun deck details.
Not sure what they are...one's around the base of the
main mast....the others.....not....
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That's were the "interior" parts of the
standing riggning are attached to the deck (on other models at
least).
Like that gray thing you have on the railing
in one of the pictures. (Those black dots are holes right
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larrymax

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Thanks Cadwel! and, yes,
those are holes for the belay pins. I purchased 3 packs of
small wooden pins, but after looking at them with the model,
they are STILL too big, so, either I make my own from scratch,
or, I try to modify the ones I bought. More on THAT little
drama later.
Tonight, before I get started working on
Cleo, I thought I'd post a few pics of that beam I was talking
about this morning. Theses are scans from the photos of the
model on the inside cover of the kit/booklet. You can see the
beam laying across the foredeck and hanging over the port
side. It appears to have some sort of details on it (one
particularly noticeble "handle"? in one pic). Here are the
shots:
If
anyone can identify what this part is, or what it was used
for, or what the other details on it might be, I would be
eternally grateful!
Thanks, Max Captain, HMS
Cleopatra Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic
P.S. I'll post some pics of tonights progress a little
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Maurice

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For some reason they've
lashed a square spare spar (!!!) across the focsle and used it
to hang a greatly oversize spare anchor. I wonder why.
It's as necessary as a spare road wheel would be on the
back of the transom. But on the pics I
haven't got it's on the starboard side of the ship - oh - and
- er - how do I put this tactfully - er - I don't think I can
- er - I see it is on your's too.
Maurice
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larrymax

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Well Maurice, now THAT'S
embarrassing! No, your OTHER STARBORD!!! hehehe! My bad
OK....I have 1 Spare Spar! Should I make it round? Any
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Maurice

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>>>Any other
opinions?<<<
What, me, hold opinions - never.
Ships carried both finished round spars ready for jury
rigging and baulks of timber for the carpenter to use as
needed. Your call.
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Peter H
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My opinion is you can only
make it round if you can say "spare square spar" five times
very quickly.
There was probably a book running
"below" on who would trip over it.
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larrymax

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Good Evening Everyone.
Captains Log Tuesday, February 10, 2004
This evening I added the Forecastle Rail and the
decorative strips down to about mid hull.
The rails were
pretty straight forward. An upper and lower part, trimmed out
and glued together. The parts in the kit comes a rather pale
grey color. I've decided to make them black, as they appear
that way in the photos and also because it looks better with
the black hull stripe. The small white squares are where some
"bits" will be attached. Between two of the bits on each side
is a cradle for the "spare spar?" to rest in. The cradle's cut
out is square, so I expect I'll be leaving this beam square so
it fits properly in it's cradle. Before I could add the
cradle, I had to add the rail, and before I could add the
rail, I had to add the decorative freize. So, once again, in
order to move one step forward, I had to move two steps back.
Actually, I've been holding off attaching the rails
(sequentially, they should have been added a while ago) in
order to avoid mucking them up from too much handling. They
overhang the bulwarks by about 1/8" inboard and outboard and
I'm sort of clumsy and forget about being very "ginger" with
handling the hull! (as far as that goes, I should have
DEFINETELY left the ships wheel off for quite a while longer!)
Well, it's getting late, so I'll be off for the
evening. Thanks for the input on that "beam". If anyone has a
picture of what that thing should actually look like......!!
Good Night Max Captain, HMS Cleoparta
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Jimkrauzlis

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Looking great (as usual),
Max!
That "extra spar" is, I believe, what is called a
"fish davit", used to handle the spare anchor from a position
aft of the catsheads. It is removable from one side to another
as needed, thus the handle and the way it is rigged on the
forecastle.
I would follow the photo faithfully,
however, as I don't think you want it to be rounded like a
"spare spar" might be, as the square shape helped keep it from
rolling unexpectedly across the top of the rail when in use.
There should also be what is called a "spanshackle"",
one on each side offset a bit from midships, into which the
fish davit is lead as an anchor of sorts during use. In other
words, the fish davit is slung athwart the forecastle in the
forward chain area, extending over the rail and being rigged
to handle the spare anchor, while the inboard end is run
through the spanshackle just a bit inside of midships as an
anchor or securing point, thus taking advantage of what is
essentially a lever arm set up, providing the strength to the
davit to "fish" the spare anchor; you will note the spare
anchor on the starboard (not the "other starboard" side) is
rigged to the end of the fish davit.
The spanshackle
is not clearly shown in the photos, however, but if you look
carefully at the top and middle photos you posted you can see
the un-used spanshackle on the deck just below the fish davit,
and the bottom photo seems to show the portside spanshackle
being used on the fish davit which is rigged to handle the
starboard side spare anchor. Whew!
Just hope
that was clear enough to sound believeable.
Keep dem updates
coming, Max!
Jim Copiague Long Island New
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Maurice

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Jim
Thanks most
interesting, I didn't now about that before. Hopefully Max
can now upload scans of the first pic on the inside cover and
the diagram of the focsle area. (I can't - no scanner at
present - er - I mean no copy of the kit) There's still a
problem with relative sizes of the anchors. The pic shows
the spare as much larger than the two "in use" but the parts
provide for 2 large and one slightly smaller.
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Jimkrauzlis

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Maurice, to WHAT parts page
are your referring?
I agree the
spare anchor was smaller that the two bowers and perhaps the
anchor parts used should be changed to reflect that. Normally
the best anchor was stowed on the port side, the second on the
starboard and the spares, etc., elsewhere, one popular place
being at the forechains with this fish davit setup.
These are just my random, arbitrary thoughts, mind
you, so take that with a grain of salt. Jim
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Maurice

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Jim
The page I
heard a rumour about.
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larrymax

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Captains Log Thursday,
February 12, 2004
Good evening all,
Added 20
"bits" of post to the bow rail this evening. Instead of
cutting out the 4 individual layers from the parts page for
each bit, I decided to cut one long strip of illustration
board to the proper width, wrap it in a layer of paper, color
it black with a sharpie and cut it into 20 bits of the proper
length....time save...probably forever!!!! Also added the port
and starboard brackets for the fishing pole! Will probably be
adding some more detail to it later, but for now, I've just
laid it across the deck.
Thanks, Jim and Maurice for all the great info on the
various parts of this model. It's nice to have someone who
know what I'm doing around
Max Captain
and Hopelessly Lost at Sea but for the aid of my friends
HMS Cleopatra Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic
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