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By Gil
Ron,
Might want to take a look at the HMS Bounty by
Maly...,
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By Larrymax
Hey Glen.
Way Cool. The "Oregon" is a really cool ship! I'm assuming
it's the one from Digital Navy. I've spent a lot of time
drooling over that very same model. Glad to have you aboard!
Ron......Yea! Do the Bounty! I don't think there is a
"easier" sailing ship model to build, per se. Well, I take
that back, there are a couple of FREEBIES out there, but I
don't think they would be very satisfying. Maybe good way to
get your feet wet, but, believe me, you'll get PLENTY wet when
you start one of these "Shipyard" kits. The Bounty's always
been a favorite subject of mine and, someday, I'll build her,
too.
P.S. I got the Port and Starboard Gunwales
(under-planking) for the main deck installed last night, along
with a little bulkhead/door at the fore end of the main deck.
I'll post a pic this afternoon (5ish PDT). I like the fact
they give me "double-planking"...should make the ships hull
really clean and smooth. Lots of surface area to glue the
finished planking pieces.
Well, as promised, here are
a couple of shots of the Main Deck Gunwales. Working on
building up the Gun Ports now, then, I think the interior
wall. Again, this is all just "under" skin. The printed
planking and such comes later.
Back to
building. Ta, Ta for now!
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Sticky Fingers
This looks really fantastic. In some corespondence
with Gil he mentioned the Minwax Wood Hardener. Tried it and
it worked really well. That got me thinking, just what I might
have in the basement that could be used as a subsitute.
Decided to tryout some polyurethane. No need to brush the
parts even. Just dip them and let them soak for a minute or so
to get fully soaked, take out and remove the excess from the
outside and let dry for three to four hours. Overnight is even
better. Test piece was .050" thick Ilustration Board with a
24#/90g/m bond paper glued to the back side with a Super
&& equivelant. The bond was run through a monochrome
laser printer. The dipping process did not affect the laser
printing at all. When plunge cutting with a .5" wide X-Acto
chisel the cuts where nice and clean and almost felt like
cutting spruce. ----- Mark, just Plain
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Larrymax
Wow,
Mark. Sounds like some pretty sticky work! I'm afraid I've not
gone to any such elaborate efforts to stiffen up my
paper/chipboard. My bulkhead formers do have some little
"pokey" bits sticking up at the tops that I suppose some
railings will attach to some time later. They were starting to
separate a bit early on from handling the model...I just
pushed a little Elmers between the paper layers, gave them a
squeeze with some tweezers for a few seconds and that seems to
have taken care of the problem. I'd be concerned that, with
urethatne coated parts, that cutting out all the VERY small
parts would become too difficult! Then again, I haven't tried
it so I really don't know. Let us know how it all turns out!
By the by, what are you building? A Ship??? : )
Well,
here's my next entry. This evening I attached the first Lowere
Inboard Gunwale. While dry fitting the piece, I found that the
part was too tall and cut right across the bottom 1/3 of the
Gun Ports on that side! So, I held the part in place and
traced out the gun port openings from the outboard side, then
trimmed the part accordingly. Once glued in place, the Gun
Ports are all trimmed out nicely. No harm, no foul....well,
maybe a little foul!
Now,
"Back to the building!"
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Wunwinglow
This
thread just gets better and better! One little question, what
scale are these models? I'm guessing about 1:75? Just to get a
handle on the size of these hulls.
Tim
PS I
received a great set of drawings for a Royal Navy Type 23
frigate yesterday... Now I'm getting interested in ships
again!!! ----- Lots of Projects, but don't hold your
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Gil
Tim,
The scale is 1:96. The Victory's hull alone is around
25 inches.
Best regards, Gil
PS I hardened the
edges of all the bulkheads. Wood hardener works well as does
urethane, shellac and super glue. ----- I Got
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Larrymax
Tim,
Thanks for the nice words! The hull assembly of the Cleopatra
is 15" and she, too, is 1/96th scale. Congrats on the plans
for your ship. Now GET BUSY, and GET BUILDING! | |
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By Sticky Fingers
Larry, right now I'm working on one of Dr. Zarkov's
1/32 aircraft (IAI 201 Avara). This build is mainly a skill
developer. The main reason I was tempted to try the
polyurethane was I was having problems with the trailing edge
of the wing ribs and the joints of the wing spars. Plus
provlems with things like the empanage and wing struts too. I
haven't tried the process on Ink Jet printed stock yet though.
I'm still having printer problems. Someday I mean to tackle
one of these. But I think that I'll definetly go mixed media.
Turn the masts and spars from hardwood along with some of the
other parts.
PS. Keep up the good work! -----
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Larrymax
Mark,
Yes, I'm probably going to end up turning my masts and
spars from dowel, too. I think I'll give it the old "college
try" with paper, first, though.....just because I'm something
of a masochist! Let us know how the Poly works out on your
plane's edges. Is it sandable? paintable? Does it discolor the
parts? Well on to today's installment. I was able to get
in about 4 good hours of building time last night (Friday).
Got some pictures this morning to share. In finishing off
the Main Deck Gunwales, I was concerned about the hollow space
left between the inboard gunwale and the outboard gunwale,
above the gunports. It just seemed to be kind of flimsey,
plus, later on I need to add a railing to the top, and it
didn't give me much material to glue a railing to, so, I
decided to make some space fillers to stiffen things up a bit.
I made a template of the shape I needed and cut out 2, 1mm,
paterns from my chipboard collection and glued them together.
The completed "filler" pieces slotted in perfectly! Now my
gunwales are "stiff as a board!" HA! Pun intended! : ) Here's
a little sketch of what I added:
Here's
a pic looking down onto the top edge of one of the gunwales.
They really are very solid now and will stand up to all the
handling that's going to be required during the rest of the
build
Once the Main Deck Gunwales were completed,
it was time to add the Fore Deck. Nothing too unusual about
this piece. Nice and BIG, which is kind of a relief after
working with "fiddly-bits" for a while! Only one bit of
fudging required for this deck. At the aft end of it, the part
over hung the sides of the hull by about 1/16th of an inch and
needed to be trimmed down a bit to match up nice and flush.
I'm discovering just how VERY IMPORTANT it is to be sure all
the Bulkheads and Longitudinal Formers match up PERFECTLY in
the initial stages...any discrepancies DO show up later when
you need to add other parts on top of them. I've tried to be
VERY careful all along the way, so I'm not sure if it's me, or
the kit, but, odds are, it's ME
In closing, today,
here's a shot of a giant, furry, sea monster, sniffing about
for some sailors to eat! : ) (actually, It's Marty, my cat!)
Keep on building you guys....Sure like to hear from you
Darwin!!!! How's that Constitution coming!!!!
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By Larrymax
Well,
Good Monday Morning everybody!
Over the weekend I
managed to get a little more done on Cleo. The next part in
the assembly sequence was supposed to be #30, the aft deck. On
dry fitting the piece I noticed something a little
"off"....seems the aft end of the part was hanging over the
end of the ship by a good TWO INCHES! After a couple of
explatives to myself, thinking I had left off a former or
something (.....I was wondering why I had a few "extra"
parts!)..(just kidding!!) I finally figured out that I hadn't
accounted for the Fan Tail assembly structure! The aft deck
extends to the end of the fan tail! Of course if I read
Polish, I might have know to assemble that bit before trying
to add the deck, but, being the bright guy that I am...I
(finally)figured that out all by my self! Once I got the Fan
Tail assembled and installed, I dry fit the deck again, and,
what-do-you-know!..the deck extends right to where it will
meet the end of the fan tail!
So, after going
through all that, I have decided to NOT attach the aft deck
just yet...the deck, when installed, substantially hangs out
over the aft end of the main deck and there are a few bits of
"furniture" (deck fittings, hatch covers, etc.) that would be
pretty hard to reach with the aft deck in place...so, I'll
wait a bit and get that stuff put on first, then attach the
deck. In the mean time, I've begun "skinning" Cleo. The skin
segments are pretty close to a perfect fit for each segment of
the hull they cover. I started cutting them a little "large"
to insure I had enough material, but have now taken to cutting
pretty close to the actual cut lines of the parts, and they
fit just fine! A great testament to the time and care the
designers put into this model. As long as you have the
bulkheads and longitudinal formers carefully and correctly
assembled, the skins fit like a glove!
Well, that's it
for today. Sure would like to see some posts from you Darwin.
Hope your "on the mend" Gil...looking forward to hearing from
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By cardfan
I think
you were looking for me about the Oregon, I had gotten as far
as the beginnings of the deck shelter when I was struck with
the same flu bug as the aformentioned children. I spent the
last 3 days in bed and I'm just now becomming functional
again. I will post another photo or two soon!
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Gil
Hello All,
Right arm is out of comission for a month. Finally had
the shoulder fixed and it was more than several small
incisions...,
Experiments with rolling paper for masts
and spars has commenced with some success..., was even able to
roll a cannon which looks real. Spars look like they'll be a
piece of cake. Masts will need a little more work. I'll take
some photos tomorrow and post them for all to critique and try
it out for themselves. It works out that the technique maybe
useful for other purposes such as axles, cannons and other
lathed type cylinders. It's already used by many for aircraft
axles to show oleos..., why not the same technique for banded
masts?
Update Photo:
The spars are
both two equal length triangles rolled on a 3 mm shaft. The
cannon is a right triangle rolled on a the same shaft. All
were coated with tacky glue. The sail is made from pellon. It
was formed after being wetted with Minwax wood hardener and
let dry before trimming. Application of seams and rope edges
remain...,
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Posted: Sat Jan
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By Peter H
Ouch!!!
Hope the shoulder sorts itself out Gil.
Many thanks to
you and Larry for taking the time to do the photography. It's
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By rickstef
not only
a fascinating thread, how about the most read, and most
replied to thread too?
Great going guys
Rick
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By Larrymax
Hey gang.
Welcome back Gil! Hope the shoulder is feeling
better....if not right now, I'm sure you will be better than
new after the healing completes! Welcome back. Thanks for the
pics of your spars and cannon form...and the tips on rolling
them from different triangles! That's a little stroke of
genius! I'm going to give it a try! I love the sail! I'm going
to be mounting my sails furled, but that material looks like
just the ticket. What is "pellon" and where do you get it?
I've never heard of it before.
Captain's Log,
Wednesday Dec 17, 2003
Nothing too exciting to report
on the actual assembly front...more skins....she's beginning
to look like a mummy...a little strip of paper here, a little
strip of paper there. The real joy of getting the skins on is
actually feeling and seeing the shape of the hull! Not to get
too weird about it (oh man, I KNOW I'm going to regret this!)
but It's really cool to feel the shape of the hull and feel
the curves and flow of her lines! Go ahead! Take your
shots!...but it's all part of enjoying the process of watching
my ship come together! If YOU were building a ship, instead of
just living vicariously through Gill and Glen and I, YOU'LD do
the same thing!!
Well, just like the love of a woman, along
with the joy, comes pain! (deeper, and deeper...I just keep
digging myself deeper and deeper!) I'm to a point, now, where
I'm ready to skin the hull over the aft gun ports...which
requires me to attach the the aft deck, as the skin needs to
attach to it....but I can't attach the aft deck until I
install the cannons that are tucked under the cantelevered
portion that's over the main deck. I'll never be able to reach
them once the deck is installed....also, there's a hatch cover
tucked way under there that needs to be built and
installed....problem is, it's not shown, nor numbered, on the
assembly diagram anywhere and there are no parts to build it!
SHEESH! I've searched all the parts pages and accounted for
all the hatches and the one I need just isn't there! There's a
hole in the deck for it, just NO PAERTS! Not a real big
problem...Photoshop to the rescue! I'm just going to scan one
of the other hatches, correct it to fit, and there you go!
This is the first real "error" I've come across in the kit, so
I forgive them
I was also doggedly searching for a panel
that would cover the bulkhead (former) at the very aft end of
the main deck. Guess what...not there, either! So, I figured,
what the heck, It's way under the deck, and once all the
fittings and boats are added to the deck, no one will see it,
so I just took my brown marker and colored it up, drew a few
panel lines and little doors and figured "OK, that should do
it". Then I had a DUH
moment! The reason there is no panel to cover the part is
because on the ship, there wouldn't have been a bulkhead
there! It's just the Gun Deck and it would have continued to
the aft of the ship, at least up to the Captains quarters, and
then maybe even past there! If you saw the movie "Master and
Commander" (Which I HIGHLY recommend, by the way, an AWESOME
movie!) you see them actually removing and stowing the walls
(as well as all the furnishings) to the Captains quarters
during battle and running out guns throught the ports in his
cabin! Pretty cool! So, now, I'm just going to paint the
bulkhead flat black and let it dissappear under there. So,
next step....I need to build 3 more cannons and install them
so I can put the deck on, so I can finish skinning my Cleo!
Hopefully, I can build the cannons a little quicker than 6
hours each this time!
Until my next Watch... Larry
Captain, H.M.S. Cleopatra Paper Navy of the Bear Flag
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