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larrymax



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captains Log
Saturday, February 7 2004

Good Evening ladies and gentlemen of the Jury. Tonight we reach a small milestone. The cannon of the Gun Deck are completed and installed (that is, the whole cannons....the false barrels remain to be installed). All in all I'm pretty happy with the outcome. Seems like I've been building cannon forever! Nice to seem the installed. Cleopatra's finally starting to look like a ship of war!



...and here's a little closer view:



Also, I made it to the hobby shop this afternoon and picked up some small blocks and belay pins! I REFUSE to spend 40 hours building blocks!

Sincerely,
Max
Captain, HMS Cleopatra (WITH GUNS!)
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic
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larrymax



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 10:40pm California Time

Late....tired....must sleep! Must post pictures first.....

Gun deck details. Not sure what they are...one's around the base of the main mast....the others.....not....





Must sleep now!

Max
Capppttt .....zzzzzzzzzz!
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larrymax



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Morning All,

Just a little update. Last night I got the three transome supports built. Nothing too unusual about them. The most difficult thing was to make sure the angles of the parts that attach to the hull sides was correct. I tried to trim them at a "close to it" angle when cutting the illustration board core for the parts out, but they required sanding to match up correctly, both to the bulwark and to the transome.


I also got the main piece of a long pole that sits on the fore deck and hangs over the port rail. Not sure what it's for...the photos don't give much information on them. The overhanging part is close to the head of the anchor head, so maybe it helps support the anchor. No pics of the area yet....I'll get some up tonight. Maybe Jim or Admiral Hunt will know what it is. Also seems there's more detail to it (from the photos) than what's provided for in the kit....I'll have to see what's up.

Have A Great Day
Max
Captain, HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic
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cadwal



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

larrymax wrote:
Captains Log
Sunday, February 8, 2004 10:40pm California Time

Gun deck details. Not sure what they are...one's around the base of the main mast....the others.....not....


That's were the "interior" parts of the standing riggning are attached to the deck (on other models at least).

Like that gray thing you have on the railing in one of the pictures. (Those black dots are holes right ?)
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larrymax



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Cadwel! and, yes, those are holes for the belay pins. I purchased 3 packs of small wooden pins, but after looking at them with the model, they are STILL too big, so, either I make my own from scratch, or, I try to modify the ones I bought. More on THAT little drama later.

Tonight, before I get started working on Cleo, I thought I'd post a few pics of that beam I was talking about this morning. Theses are scans from the photos of the model on the inside cover of the kit/booklet. You can see the beam laying across the foredeck and hanging over the port side. It appears to have some sort of details on it (one particularly noticeble "handle"? in one pic). Here are the shots:







If anyone can identify what this part is, or what it was used for, or what the other details on it might be, I would be eternally grateful!

Thanks,
Max
Captain, HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic

P.S. I'll post some pics of tonights progress a little later.
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Maurice



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For some reason they've lashed a square spare spar (!!!) across the focsle and used it to hang a greatly oversize spare anchor.
I wonder why.
It's as necessary as a spare road wheel would be on the back of the transom. Laughing
But on the pics I haven't got it's on the starboard side of the ship - oh - and - er - how do I put this tactfully - er - I don't think I can - er - I see it is on your's too. Wink

Maurice


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larrymax



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Maurice, now THAT'S embarrassing! No, your OTHER STARBORD!!! hehehe! My bad Laughing

OK....I have 1 Spare Spar! Should I make it round? Any other opinions?
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Maurice



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

>>>Any other opinions?<<<

What, me, hold opinions - never. Smile
Ships carried both finished round spars ready for jury rigging and baulks of timber for the carpenter to use as needed.
Your call.

Maurice
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Peter H



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My opinion is you can only make it round if you can say "spare square spar" five times very quickly.

There was probably a book running "below" on who would trip over it.


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larrymax



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Evening Everyone.

Captains Log
Tuesday, February 10, 2004

This evening I added the Forecastle Rail and the decorative strips down to about mid hull.



The rails were pretty straight forward. An upper and lower part, trimmed out and glued together. The parts in the kit comes a rather pale grey color. I've decided to make them black, as they appear that way in the photos and also because it looks better with the black hull stripe. The small white squares are where some "bits" will be attached. Between two of the bits on each side is a cradle for the "spare spar?" to rest in. The cradle's cut out is square, so I expect I'll be leaving this beam square so it fits properly in it's cradle. Before I could add the cradle, I had to add the rail, and before I could add the rail, I had to add the decorative freize. So, once again, in order to move one step forward, I had to move two steps back. Actually, I've been holding off attaching the rails (sequentially, they should have been added a while ago) in order to avoid mucking them up from too much handling. They overhang the bulwarks by about 1/8" inboard and outboard and I'm sort of clumsy and forget about being very "ginger" with handling the hull! (as far as that goes, I should have DEFINETELY left the ships wheel off for quite a while longer!)

Well, it's getting late, so I'll be off for the evening. Thanks for the input on that "beam". If anyone has a picture of what that thing should actually look like......!!

Good Night
Max
Captain, HMS Cleoparta
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic[/img]
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Jimkrauzlis



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking great (as usual), Max!

That "extra spar" is, I believe, what is called a "fish davit", used to handle the spare anchor from a position aft of the catsheads. It is removable from one side to another as needed, thus the handle and the way it is rigged on the forecastle.

I would follow the photo faithfully, however, as I don't think you want it to be rounded like a "spare spar" might be, as the square shape helped keep it from rolling unexpectedly across the top of the rail when in use.

There should also be what is called a "spanshackle"", one on each side offset a bit from midships, into which the fish davit is lead as an anchor of sorts during use. In other words, the fish davit is slung athwart the forecastle in the forward chain area, extending over the rail and being rigged to handle the spare anchor, while the inboard end is run through the spanshackle just a bit inside of midships as an anchor or securing point, thus taking advantage of what is essentially a lever arm set up, providing the strength to the davit to "fish" the spare anchor; you will note the spare anchor on the starboard (not the "other starboard" side) is rigged to the end of the fish davit.

The spanshackle is not clearly shown in the photos, however, but if you look carefully at the top and middle photos you posted you can see the un-used spanshackle on the deck just below the fish davit, and the bottom photo seems to show the portside spanshackle being used on the fish davit which is rigged to handle the starboard side spare anchor. Whew! Confused

Just hope that was clear enough to sound believeable. Laughing

Keep dem updates coming, Max!

Jim
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Maurice



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim

Thanks most interesting, I didn't now about that before.
Hopefully Max can now upload scans of the first pic on the inside cover and the diagram of the focsle area. (I can't - no scanner at present - er - I mean no copy of the kit)
There's still a problem with relative sizes of the anchors.
The pic shows the spare as much larger than the two "in use" but the parts provide for 2 large and one slightly smaller.

Maurice
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Jimkrauzlis



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maurice, to WHAT parts page are your referring? Laughing

I agree the spare anchor was smaller that the two bowers and perhaps the anchor parts used should be changed to reflect that. Normally the best anchor was stowed on the port side, the second on the starboard and the spares, etc., elsewhere, one popular place being at the forechains with this fish davit setup.

These are just my random, arbitrary thoughts, mind you, so take that with a grain of salt. Confused
Jim
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Maurice



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim

The page I heard a rumour about. Cool

Maurice
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larrymax



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captains Log
Thursday, February 12, 2004

Good evening all,

Added 20 "bits" of post to the bow rail this evening. Instead of cutting out the 4 individual layers from the parts page for each bit, I decided to cut one long strip of illustration board to the proper width, wrap it in a layer of paper, color it black with a sharpie and cut it into 20 bits of the proper length....time save...probably forever!!!! Also added the port and starboard brackets for the fishing pole! Will probably be adding some more detail to it later, but for now, I've just laid it across the deck.





Thanks, Jim and Maurice for all the great info on the various parts of this model. It's nice to have someone who know what I'm doing around Wink

Max
Captain and Hopelessly Lost at Sea but for the aid of my friends
HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic

Good Night
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