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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Neoneanderthal

excellent ron
just to terri...er i mean interest....you while youre waiting
http://home.t-online.de/home/klaus.beuse/baerbel/homepage.htm?/home/klaus.beuse/baerbel/sp_kruzenshtern.htm
then theres all the little bits at the bottom to click on
and after tht why not traslate the whole of
http://mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/kruzenshtern.htm
and don't forget to dload the yeptexh at the bottom

....g
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By rickstef

Ron,

I surely hope that hole you dug, is deep and big enough for ya too

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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he claims it was dug for him.......g
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Ron,

Hehehe......Gotcha!



Now, if we only knew where First Mate, Darwin, has gotten off to!

I actually have the ENTIRE DAY TO MYSELF, tomorrow!!!! I've given the crew orders that the Capt'ns NOT to be disturbed unless the ship is going down! Think of it! A WHOLE DAY to work on Cleo! I can hardly wait!!......

Larry
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Paper Navy of the Bear Coast Republic

....Everybody........."Yo-ho, yo-ho, it's a Pirates life for me...."!!! ; )
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Captain's Log
December 25, 2003

This evening I managed to mount two cannons at the aft end of the main deck. At this point, I think I'm just going to rig my cannons as shown here.



Trying to rig the blocks and tackle that haul the cannon in and out is just TOO TINY! I'm pretty sure I can be happy just rigging them like this. Cutting out the eyebolts for the sides of the cannons and the attachment to the bulwarks is not too difficult. I soak a little bit of cardstock with Super Glue. Let it dry well (about 10 minutes), then poke a little hole through it. I sand down the back side of the punched hole to flatten down the paper that has been punched through. Then it's just a matter of trimming around the hole, leaving enough material to create the eyebolt. Color it black, slip it through the line and, viola! I seized the ends that attach to the bulwark, just behind the eyebolt.



Well, that's it for this evening. It's getting late, It's been a busy day, and I'm getting sleepy. I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas!...I'll be getting up bright and early in the morning to start a full day's work on Cleo. We're going to have a good day! I'll post pics of my progress for you all to pick at! Good Night.

Larry
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

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December 26, 2003

Ahoy! Well, I've had a GRAND day today....hardly an interuption..lots of building time...and I'm not done, yet. Just wanted to give everyone an update from the daylight hours progress. I completed and installed the 4 cannon at the aft end of the main deck.



Then, because I'm a perfectionist and hardly EVER happy with the way things are going, I decided to re-plank the interior gunwales. The cut of the "planks" now lines up with the gunports quite nicely, as opposed to looking all chopped up and jigsaw puzzled together. (I took your advice Peter, and am working to my own expectations and enjoying myself!) Despite my strong desire to move forward and get the aft deck installed...those gunwales were just bugging me...so I had to do something about it. Now, with the guns installed, I was (finally!) able to attach the aft deck! HUZZA!!! It went on very nicely. I "pre-cambered" it so there would not be any pre-loaded stress trying to pull the edges up, and it would just lie nicely across all the formers. I sat for 5 minutes and applied firm, but gentle, pressure across all the glued join areas and now I'm just letting it set well while I update you all on Cleo's progress.



When I go back to her in a few minutes, I'll begin attaching skins (again) now that the aft deck is finally in place! With luck. I'll have the rest of them insalled this evening.

Wish me luck!
Larry
Captain and Ready for some Grog!
HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Coast Republic
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Hello all,

It's 11:00pm and I think I'll call it a day! I managed to finish the aft skins and attach the keel this evening! It's has been SOooooo great to have a whole day to devote to just building my model! I owe my wife a BIG thank you for just letting me be and not giving me a bunch of "Honey Do's". Every now and then, she's OK! (hehehe!) Well, the basic shape of my Cleopatra is now complete. Her lines and mass are now evident. Her decks and keel are laid and a few of her guns are in place. All in all, I'd say I'm right on track to finish some time in November 2004!!! Just kidding...the work is going along nicely...and best of all, I'm REALLY enjoying the building! Next up, the "Final Planking"....or..."Cleo Gets a Paint Job!" Here are some progress pics..

Just an after-thought...If there are any details, or close-up shots any of you would like to see, just ask...I'll be happy to oblige.



A view of the stern galley area and the aft skins
(By the way, Cleo is actually standing, unaided, on her keel, 1/8" wide! How's THAT for balance!)



A view of HMS Cleopatra in the shipyard ; )



Good Night All,
Larry
Captain and Desparately Seeking Pillow Time
HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

Good Morning. Woke up bright and early this morning to get just a bit more work done on Cleo before I have to run off for the day. I got the upper planking pieces (forward, mid-ship, and aft) on the starboard side, and the forward port side piece installed. The gunport cutout were a pretty close fit. I did need to tweek a couple to get them to line up properly with the ports (i.e. cut a little bit off the forward edge and shift it to the aft edge of the opening), but overall, I'm amazed at the fit of all the pieces!





I found that as the parts curved down the hull and were laid over the bulkheads, there were gaps under the planking where the first layer of skins went "flat" as they spanned the distance to the next bulkhead. In wood ship models, this is overcome by the natural, consistant bending of the planks between bulkheads. Paper seems to be just too thin to manage this. I tried to avoid it by not pulling too hard while laying the parts down, but, now that I'm putting the next layer on, I've found the problem was not completely alleviated. I'm fixing it by cutting some "fillers" to build up the gapped areas and give the final planking pieces more surface to be attached to. It won't be perfect, but it will be better. Again, in wood ship models, you can sand out some of these minor problems...alas...too much sanding here and all you get is holes in your hull!



Well, that's it for this morning. I'm off to work on a mural (I'm an artist/graphic designer in my OTHER life!) I'll try to get some more done this evening.

Until then....Keep on building!
Larry
Captain, HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic

P.S. Darwinnnnnnn.....come out, come out, wherever you are! hehehe!
P.P.S. How's the Victory comin', Gil? Love to see some pics!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Gil

Larry,

The flattening between bulkheads is a problem. One idea that might work is to back the piece with a lighter weight card stock. Use a slow setting glue so that the piece can be shaped between thumb and forefinger until the entire "plank" fits the bulkhead countours. Let the glue set and then attach to the hull. The backing forms a second ply and allows twist and curvature to be "set in" permanently before bonding to the hull. Make sure to seal the both parts with acrylic sealer before beginning.

Best regards, Gil

[Edited by Gil on 2003-12-27 11:59 PM]

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax


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December 28, 2003 10:45am

Good Morning Mates,

Last night and this morning I've been busying myself with lots of "Fiddly-Bits"! all the dark brown trim that goes around the top of the hull....lots of thin, long pieces....cut it out, dry fit to insure proper placement and length, color the edges, glue, place, adjust, burnish, clean up excess glue, go on to nex piece. Went fairly quickly...put on a couple of my favorite CD's and get into the "zone" and just trudge along. : )



Also made a new cradle to hold the hull. Got some high-density foam (from the packing material of a Christmas present!) trimmed it out with a kitchen knife to approximate the hull form. Works great. I can place the hull in it at any angle and it holds it securely. Thank you Santa : )



Well, I'm back to it, now. Starting the Hull Planking. Well, what are you doing sitting there reading about MY fun.....GO BUILD SOMETHING!

Larry
Captain, HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic


Good evening ladies and gent's. Well, the planking continues. I'm below the waterline now and all the planking is white. This is creating a minor frustration in that the part "cut lines" are printed in black. I'm doing my best to cut JUST INSIDE the cut line so I'm not left with black lines on my nice white hull. What little bits I miss, I use a fine emery board (finger nail file) to buff off the offending black bits. Seems to be working OK. Still using filler bits to fill in the hollow areas between bulkheads, but that is less of a problem the further down the hull I go. Another thing I've discovered is that the nice "Yellow" band around the hull....well, on the cover of the model, that band is a nice "Brick Red" (very similar to the color of the inboard sides of the gunwales. Hmmmmm....interesting problem....do I paint it to match the cover? ...or do I leave it sunny yellow? Guess I'll have to work that one out sometime soon. For that matter, the "Black" band just below the yellow is sort of a medium/dark gray! Hmmmmmm......what will I do? What will I do? .....stay tuned for the exciting answer to these (and I'm sure, many other) exciting issues as they arrise.







Happy Building, and good night.
Larry
Captain, HMS Cleopatra
Paper Navy of the Bear Flag Republic

P.S. Gettin' kind of lonely out here....be nice to hear from a few of you! Questions? Comments! I know you're out there....! Have you SEEN how many people are reading this thread!!!!! Where are ya, Gil!!!??? Where are ya, Glen!!!??? Where are ya, Ron!!!???
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Gil

Larry,

I'm here..., Nice work! Beginning to look like a ship of the line.

The yellow is chromium yellow, and the black is black enamel. Shipyards color fidelity is a bit wanting. I suggest that you try Liquitex acrylic paints. Highly available and are very adaptable to most all media. It's now what I use nearly exclusively.

Best regards, Gil


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By maurice

Larry

The silence means we're dumbstruck.
(no grin there because I mean it)
And even though you didn't ask for it, here's some information.
By 1783 the Royal Navy had ordered all it's ships to be sheathed in copper to a horizontal line 16" above the waterline and the use of "White stuff" and "Black stuff" (earlier antifouling compositions) was discontinued. The Rose replica has an earlier white bottom but with an incorrect curved waterline but above that her colours are correct.
(please don't shoot me - and do your own thing anyway Smile )

Oh and don't listen to Gil. Smile By the late 18th century only First, Second and Third Rate ships took a place in the Line of Battle. Any lesser Rates present were allowed to keep out of harms way. There were precise rules of engagement based on those ratings. (Basically you could run away from anything with a higher rating without dishonour. Smile )

Maurice
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Wunwinglow

Larry, can I just say thanks again for your updates on progress, we are all watching agog!! And to have the luxury of several days uninterupted must be fantastic! What little time I have had this holiday has been put to collecting data and pics to go with the Type 23 frigate drawings I got a few weeks ago so I am laying the foundations for a project. But, and keep this to yourself, I will probably go back to using plastic card, polystyrene strip and rod, resin castings etc. For goodness sakes don't let anyone else on the forum get to hear about this, or else I'll be walking the plank! Not only that, but I saw a 1:200 Trumpeter Sovremenny Class Destroyer kit in my local hobby shop, and I am getting that 'hankering' for plastics again. And me, with so many other half-baked projects already.....

Brilliant thread, do keep it going!

Tim

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Larrymax

shhhhhh.....your secret's safe with me, Tim. ; )

P.S. I'm sanding down the plank, now! Wouldn't want you to get a splinter in your tootsie on the way out!

P.P.S. Here are some handy reference sites for you to visit....hope you find them helpful!
http://www.icouldnthandlepapersonowibuildplastic/models.com
http://www.papermodelerwannabes.com/
http://plasticmodelersannonomous.com/

Helpfully yours,
Larry
Master and Commander of all things Boatsy and Made of Paper
Paper Navy of Bear Flag Republic
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By neoneanderthal

chukimahht......g
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